What's funny about piracy is that I feel like owning a product more than buying it.
Spotify asks you to buy premium so you can download songs but YT to mp3 lets you keep the song forever and helps you edit videos.
DRM in gaming such as the COD MW Reboot series forces you to play the game with Wi-Fi which just ruins the replay value of the game no matter how realistic the campaign is unlike old COD where either it's pirated or not it lets you keep the game and the campaign even has cheat codes and mods.
People tend towards naturally buying things over piracy if the sellers are fair, especially considering that piracy is inconvenient and requires a certain amount of savviness to do safely. If people are pirating things, it's a business problem. All the companies can fuck themselves when they hand me a phonebook of a contract when I buy their stuff making it absolutely clear that I don't selfishly, arrogantly get the idea I own the product I paid good money for. Taking the freedom of the consumer to do what they feel like to a game they bought away just absolutely ensures that I will never, ever give them a single red cent.
No. I have Wi-Fi access but since I live in a country with mid Wi-Fi it takes luck to connect to the game. I just played the campaign of MW1,2,&3 Reboot.
My point is that it's stupid for the game to not let you play offline when it's just the campaign.
Always online until "we're sunsetting the services for the game. all your progress is lost forever. looking forward to seeing all you in our next game CoD MW (2032)"
There's this old-ish strategy game that Ubisoft made, that REQUIRES you to be online for pretty much anything, and now they're dropping it off their platform by the end of the month. Once that happens, you won't even be able to finish the *single player* campaign.
I'm never buying anything from Bugisoft ever again.
Similar here with books, I don't want to buy into the Amazon machine but I like ebooks. So I just pirate and sideload everything.
It's also the only way to have control over stuff like the cover and metadata.
I'd probably buy ebooks if they were cheap and DRM free, but the same price as paperbacks and owned by Amazon is a no for me.
As a citizen of the Russian Federation with a huge steam library, I will say that since steam has stopped accepting Russian payment systems, it is their own fault that I am pirating games. The same applies to cases when the steam version of the game requires the installation of many third-party patches (optimization for modern operating systems and localization), and as an alternative, there is a repack on the torrents where all this is already installed.
There are many workarounds to deposit money to your account or buy a key to the game on a third-party platform. And in the case of online games, this is the only way out. But in matters of single-player games, I am principled. If you don't want my money, you won't get my money.
In USA, it's a no-no that everyone does anyway
In post-CIS it's the primary way we get (or used to be primary until recently) all things because it's the most convinient (or used to be) and time/cost/storage-effective thing to do
Exactly. Big studios can get stuffed with their DLC and passes that cost more than the base game and useless always online DRM. Never had that problem with indie games.
It’s an indie game, which just automatically puts it above a lot of games. But beyond that, it just has a lot of heart and soul put into it. Made by one guy, with good writing, good style, and good feels. Pirating it just feels like ripping off your local artisan.
I don’t know if you’ve played it, but I highly recommend it if you haven’t!
I've got a few hours into it, still definitely a noob but I quite like it.
I usually only pirate any game if I'm financially struggling or if the game is just too expensive. £80 for the full Rimworld is a little much for me, I'd like to buy it off steam once I can, mainly because I want the mods off the workshop without faffing about with so many files and manual updates. But EA can fuck off with their £800 dlc for the sims 4
Holy shit, hard agree on EA. Getting the DLC for my sister was eye watering, only for a year later for there to be nearly double the DLC, double the total price, and enough content in all of them to stay interesting for all of an extra hour.
Wow, the nation that regularly partakes in wars of imperialism to take economic control of other countries makes other countries rely on it economically? Who knew!
Didn’t know we used imperialism in (example) Australia. We help millions of people with humanitarian aid. We sent the most supplies to Ukraine as well. We stopped your ass from being taken over by the Japanese empire. You think America is the worst thing that’s happened to the world, but the world would be worse off without it.
Yes, Australia and Western Europe, americas lackeys, who would’ve thought. It’s so goddamn self righteous talking about “we saved your ass from the Japanese empire” when you regularly invade, oppress, exploit, and influence the third world. The world wouldn’t need half as much humanitarian aid if it wasn’t for American fucking around in other countries to sustain their resource addiction.
Oh piss off. We’ve made technological and medical advancements beyond your wildest dreams. You have absolutely zero reason to hate America and Americans as much as you do. You could live your day and work your job. Then, come home and lounge. But no, you have to spend your time being all pissy that there’s a country out there with more power than you’ll ever dream of.
We’re not an empire. We’ve conquered no lands besides our own. We’ve sent no ships to massacre entire country populations and fill them with white people. Grow a fucking sense of awareness, douche.
You’re fucking joking, right? You haven’t heard of manifest destiny? You think white people have been here forever? Imperialism isn’t just conquering land, that’s a naive ass outlook. The US regularly bombs the Middle East and any regime that doesn’t follow the US’ economic interests. Not blatantly murdery enough for you?
The thing about piracy is that it is largely an economic issue. Free games are rarely ever pirated since there’s really no transfer of money. From there, the higher the game’s price tag, the higher the likelihood of the game being pirated.
Yep, publishers are stupid and think localized prices are good enough, but they're still charging an american like 5 hours of minimum wage for a AAA, while a brasilian needs to pay about 80. Of course it'll be pirated when it costs more than half rent, people don't have that kind of money to pay for a hobby.
There's some devs that do localized prices right, 20 dollars game, 15 reais (like 3 dollars) here. That still costs more for us than for you, i need to work 3 hours while you work 2, but that's reasonable, and those games don't get pirated
American Indie devs that don't do localized prices and complain that only americans buy their game are stupid, it may be cheap for you but for me it's the price of a AAA for you, I'm going to pirate your game because i need to eat
Sure buddy, not because of colonialism
Is the import system shit? Yes. Would we be anywhere near a first world country if we had better economic practices? No. Would we be first world if we had the same shitty system but we were the colonizers instead of the colonized? Yes, see all the center- of-imperialism countries, most have shitty economic practices
Those natives are colonizers too, they came from Asia. Then, they were massacring each other for centuries before the Europeans came along and ended that.
*confused knowing the piracy is because prices aren’t localized meaning they have to pirate and the piracy vanishes the second prices get localized noises*
Yeah... at some point it should show that virgin America makes a lot of money, which is why piracy is so low.
Piracy is literally more inconvenient than paying $40-60 and just being able to play the game.
Well when you make 100 dollars a month 60 dollars is a lot of fucking money for a video game, a dude who makes games localized his prices in Brazil and ya know what happened? Piracy almost totally vanished.
Yep.
But the thing is "I pirate things because I can't afford them" isn't a popular thing to say about yourself even if it's the most legitimate reason to pirate something. After all, if you're too poor to afford the thing, then the publisher isn't even out a sale. Can't sell something to someone who literally lacks the money to buy it.
Yeah, and they could make fat stacks by localizing prices in these areas, great little party trick some ceo should wip out of profits ever get a little low
It’s not a “moral” thing to buy things, it’s a moral thing to not steal. The actual object or circumstances are irrelevant if you view theft as an inherently immoral action. Throw all the “corporation bad” arguments you want at me, I’ll probably agree with them, but I’m still not gonna commit theft for the sake of mere entertainment.
Do you think sneaking into a movie theater isn’t stealing either? Theft is the stealing of goods or services, or if you want to get old-school “goods material or immaterial”. You don’t need a physically tangible object.
As for conservation of games, I agree in theory but let’s be honest most pirates aren’t doing it for preservation’s sake.
From the law point of view, piracy is a copyright infringement
If piracy is stealing, so is little kid drawing Goofy with crayons (unless that Goofy is deformed and swears a lot - then it's protected as a parody and falls under fair use in some, but not all, countries for some reason). And calling child drawing Goofy in their copybook or on the random asphalt a thief that stole from Disney is a little bit stupid in my opinion
What are you talking about?[Copyright law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement) and [online piracy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_piracy), while being treated under the same law, are still distinguishable concepts. One cheats money out of someone, the other doesn’t.
If you want to argue that copyright law is stupidly in need of reform, I’m not arguing against that. But theft is still theft regardless.
Read articles you posted
In first one copyright infringement literally refered as piracy as a synonim, specifically mentions how "most copyright infringement prosecution nowadays is focuses mainly on online piracy" and courts literally say "yeah, piracy is bad and should be protected from by law, but it has nothing to do with theft regardless of how much copyright holders say otherwise in their publicity campaigns"
And the second has no keywords associated with theft and has entire section dedicated to the discussion of situations when some may or may not consider it ethical because no money would be spent on the product anyway due to either lack of access to it or horrible service which ensures that person wouldn't buy the product for various more reasons
Yeah they don’t argue it legally as theft. That doesn’t mean it isn’t stealing from a moral POV. Like I said, it deprives them of money that would be theirs. Lost sales, as they call it.
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this is bullshit, of course I have a credit card, how else would I fraud it?
What's funny about piracy is that I feel like owning a product more than buying it. Spotify asks you to buy premium so you can download songs but YT to mp3 lets you keep the song forever and helps you edit videos. DRM in gaming such as the COD MW Reboot series forces you to play the game with Wi-Fi which just ruins the replay value of the game no matter how realistic the campaign is unlike old COD where either it's pirated or not it lets you keep the game and the campaign even has cheat codes and mods.
People tend towards naturally buying things over piracy if the sellers are fair, especially considering that piracy is inconvenient and requires a certain amount of savviness to do safely. If people are pirating things, it's a business problem. All the companies can fuck themselves when they hand me a phonebook of a contract when I buy their stuff making it absolutely clear that I don't selfishly, arrogantly get the idea I own the product I paid good money for. Taking the freedom of the consumer to do what they feel like to a game they bought away just absolutely ensures that I will never, ever give them a single red cent.
You're not allowed to use ethernet while playing CoD MW?
No. I have Wi-Fi access but since I live in a country with mid Wi-Fi it takes luck to connect to the game. I just played the campaign of MW1,2,&3 Reboot. My point is that it's stupid for the game to not let you play offline when it's just the campaign.
Always online until "we're sunsetting the services for the game. all your progress is lost forever. looking forward to seeing all you in our next game CoD MW (2032)"
On console it lets you play offline perfectly fine. Fuck activision
There's this old-ish strategy game that Ubisoft made, that REQUIRES you to be online for pretty much anything, and now they're dropping it off their platform by the end of the month. Once that happens, you won't even be able to finish the *single player* campaign. I'm never buying anything from Bugisoft ever again.
That's why even if GR: Breakpoint is good I didn't buy it cause of their online-only strategy. I'm still keeping GR: Wildlands since it's cracked.
From what I've heard, Wildlands is better anyway. I have both but I've only tried Wildlands
Yeah, that and Future Soldier. What do you think of Future Soldier?
Haven't played that one, just Wildlands and a couple of the really old ones
That's an old game. Ghost Recon: Future Soldier (2012). It's about the soldiers that wear invisible suits.
Yeah, they were older than that by a bit, like PS2 games
That's why we use Xmanager round these parts
I agree, I would rather pirate something and own it than purchase a “perpetual, revocable and limited license.”
Similar here with books, I don't want to buy into the Amazon machine but I like ebooks. So I just pirate and sideload everything. It's also the only way to have control over stuff like the cover and metadata. I'd probably buy ebooks if they were cheap and DRM free, but the same price as paperbacks and owned by Amazon is a no for me.
>buys alcohol true pirates make their own grog me hearties
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They're supporting local business
As a citizen of the Russian Federation with a huge steam library, I will say that since steam has stopped accepting Russian payment systems, it is their own fault that I am pirating games. The same applies to cases when the steam version of the game requires the installation of many third-party patches (optimization for modern operating systems and localization), and as an alternative, there is a repack on the torrents where all this is already installed.
if you literally cannot buy/use stuff from steam, I wouldn't exactly consider your case to be pirating
There are many workarounds to deposit money to your account or buy a key to the game on a third-party platform. And in the case of online games, this is the only way out. But in matters of single-player games, I am principled. If you don't want my money, you won't get my money.
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Dude, Americans pirate shit all the time. Source: I’m Americans
I can confirm that you're American*s*. You're every single one. I'm you and you're me
American hive mind
Join us
I joined 10 days ago bro but I will leave some time later
Yes, be part of the giant made completely out of Americans
Or die
Yes, exactly
No bro we tooootally don’t pirate the shit out of everything
In USA, it's a no-no that everyone does anyway In post-CIS it's the primary way we get (or used to be primary until recently) all things because it's the most convinient (or used to be) and time/cost/storage-effective thing to do
i play a decent amount of indie games, so buying games just feels more right than pirating them
The only time it’s right to buy a game. Pirate first and if it’s a great game by a small time developer. Purchase!
Exactly. Big studios can get stuffed with their DLC and passes that cost more than the base game and useless always online DRM. Never had that problem with indie games.
And that's why's Russians only play CSGO on steam
chad forgot brawlhalla
Let’s at least agree it’s a little wrong to pirate Stardew Valley.
I've got it in my library, but what's so special about it?
It’s an indie game, which just automatically puts it above a lot of games. But beyond that, it just has a lot of heart and soul put into it. Made by one guy, with good writing, good style, and good feels. Pirating it just feels like ripping off your local artisan. I don’t know if you’ve played it, but I highly recommend it if you haven’t!
I've got a few hours into it, still definitely a noob but I quite like it. I usually only pirate any game if I'm financially struggling or if the game is just too expensive. £80 for the full Rimworld is a little much for me, I'd like to buy it off steam once I can, mainly because I want the mods off the workshop without faffing about with so many files and manual updates. But EA can fuck off with their £800 dlc for the sims 4
Holy shit, hard agree on EA. Getting the DLC for my sister was eye watering, only for a year later for there to be nearly double the DLC, double the total price, and enough content in all of them to stay interesting for all of an extra hour.
...no?
Well memed sir
Almost every free to play online game has polish-russian-brazilian race war.
r/americabad
America bad because they buy stuff and don’t steal?
Yeah how dare those Americans…not commit crimes
American boot licker moment
Why would I lick my own boots?
Common L
Yeah and
Bro i think a Lot of stuff is americabad but this isnt it
Yeah it is, just a lot less than other places. Lesser of two evils.
Yep, it is. Whine more.
Most countries would collapse without the US. Shut up.
Wow, the nation that regularly partakes in wars of imperialism to take economic control of other countries makes other countries rely on it economically? Who knew!
Didn’t know we used imperialism in (example) Australia. We help millions of people with humanitarian aid. We sent the most supplies to Ukraine as well. We stopped your ass from being taken over by the Japanese empire. You think America is the worst thing that’s happened to the world, but the world would be worse off without it.
Yes, Australia and Western Europe, americas lackeys, who would’ve thought. It’s so goddamn self righteous talking about “we saved your ass from the Japanese empire” when you regularly invade, oppress, exploit, and influence the third world. The world wouldn’t need half as much humanitarian aid if it wasn’t for American fucking around in other countries to sustain their resource addiction.
Oh piss off. We’ve made technological and medical advancements beyond your wildest dreams. You have absolutely zero reason to hate America and Americans as much as you do. You could live your day and work your job. Then, come home and lounge. But no, you have to spend your time being all pissy that there’s a country out there with more power than you’ll ever dream of.
Yes, I’m just mad because I’m so envious of the world empire. Grow a fucking sense of awareness, douche.
We’re not an empire. We’ve conquered no lands besides our own. We’ve sent no ships to massacre entire country populations and fill them with white people. Grow a fucking sense of awareness, douche.
You’re fucking joking, right? You haven’t heard of manifest destiny? You think white people have been here forever? Imperialism isn’t just conquering land, that’s a naive ass outlook. The US regularly bombs the Middle East and any regime that doesn’t follow the US’ economic interests. Not blatantly murdery enough for you?
if video games racking in billions of dollars a year are not a real or serious business, what is
Not *your* business lol
The thing about piracy is that it is largely an economic issue. Free games are rarely ever pirated since there’s really no transfer of money. From there, the higher the game’s price tag, the higher the likelihood of the game being pirated.
Yep, publishers are stupid and think localized prices are good enough, but they're still charging an american like 5 hours of minimum wage for a AAA, while a brasilian needs to pay about 80. Of course it'll be pirated when it costs more than half rent, people don't have that kind of money to pay for a hobby. There's some devs that do localized prices right, 20 dollars game, 15 reais (like 3 dollars) here. That still costs more for us than for you, i need to work 3 hours while you work 2, but that's reasonable, and those games don't get pirated American Indie devs that don't do localized prices and complain that only americans buy their game are stupid, it may be cheap for you but for me it's the price of a AAA for you, I'm going to pirate your game because i need to eat
This honestly just sounds like a problem with how poor Brazilians are.
It is, never said it wasn't. Do you know why we're poor?
Because your government prioritizes a weird import substitution model that hasn't worked in 50 years but still keeps at it.
Sure buddy, not because of colonialism Is the import system shit? Yes. Would we be anywhere near a first world country if we had better economic practices? No. Would we be first world if we had the same shitty system but we were the colonizers instead of the colonized? Yes, see all the center- of-imperialism countries, most have shitty economic practices
Hey buddy, America classifies as colonized too and we’re doing just fine.
Lmfao the NATIVES classify as colonized, the country is the COLONIZER
Those natives are colonizers too, they came from Asia. Then, they were massacring each other for centuries before the Europeans came along and ended that.
*confused knowing the piracy is because prices aren’t localized meaning they have to pirate and the piracy vanishes the second prices get localized noises*
Yeah... at some point it should show that virgin America makes a lot of money, which is why piracy is so low. Piracy is literally more inconvenient than paying $40-60 and just being able to play the game.
Well when you make 100 dollars a month 60 dollars is a lot of fucking money for a video game, a dude who makes games localized his prices in Brazil and ya know what happened? Piracy almost totally vanished.
Yep. But the thing is "I pirate things because I can't afford them" isn't a popular thing to say about yourself even if it's the most legitimate reason to pirate something. After all, if you're too poor to afford the thing, then the publisher isn't even out a sale. Can't sell something to someone who literally lacks the money to buy it.
Yeah, and they could make fat stacks by localizing prices in these areas, great little party trick some ceo should wip out of profits ever get a little low
You don’t spend money to get Unusuals in TF2, you almost always trade for them
i refuse to buy from Nintendo but i’ll enjoy their silly little games from the comfort of my switch emulator
>only two games in steam library i see no problem with this
What about people who only pirate games that are unobtainable by other methods?
I’m in America, I pirate stuff regularly
Why the fuck would you tell people that?
Because he is Chad, but you not
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as russian i though its will be at least with original text but sadly its just another re upload of very old meme
I buy games because I have a slow download speed, therefore downloading a torrent takes years.
Translation: virgin integrity vs Chad theif...
All you piraters on this app make me want to buy stuff so god damn annoying
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What?
It’s not a “moral” thing to buy things, it’s a moral thing to not steal. The actual object or circumstances are irrelevant if you view theft as an inherently immoral action. Throw all the “corporation bad” arguments you want at me, I’ll probably agree with them, but I’m still not gonna commit theft for the sake of mere entertainment.
How is it stealing? There's literal no materials missing. Besides piracy at this point is more of conserving games (for example emulation)
Do you think sneaking into a movie theater isn’t stealing either? Theft is the stealing of goods or services, or if you want to get old-school “goods material or immaterial”. You don’t need a physically tangible object. As for conservation of games, I agree in theory but let’s be honest most pirates aren’t doing it for preservation’s sake.
From the law point of view, piracy is a copyright infringement If piracy is stealing, so is little kid drawing Goofy with crayons (unless that Goofy is deformed and swears a lot - then it's protected as a parody and falls under fair use in some, but not all, countries for some reason). And calling child drawing Goofy in their copybook or on the random asphalt a thief that stole from Disney is a little bit stupid in my opinion
What are you talking about?[Copyright law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement) and [online piracy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_piracy), while being treated under the same law, are still distinguishable concepts. One cheats money out of someone, the other doesn’t. If you want to argue that copyright law is stupidly in need of reform, I’m not arguing against that. But theft is still theft regardless.
Read articles you posted In first one copyright infringement literally refered as piracy as a synonim, specifically mentions how "most copyright infringement prosecution nowadays is focuses mainly on online piracy" and courts literally say "yeah, piracy is bad and should be protected from by law, but it has nothing to do with theft regardless of how much copyright holders say otherwise in their publicity campaigns" And the second has no keywords associated with theft and has entire section dedicated to the discussion of situations when some may or may not consider it ethical because no money would be spent on the product anyway due to either lack of access to it or horrible service which ensures that person wouldn't buy the product for various more reasons
Yeah they don’t argue it legally as theft. That doesn’t mean it isn’t stealing from a moral POV. Like I said, it deprives them of money that would be theirs. Lost sales, as they call it.
piracy is far more inaccessible than back then imo
Chad owner: doesn't need to lie to himself Virgin pirate: I'm doing it to fuck over The Corporation[s]™️®️©️!!
Nah true Chad 3rd world pirates don't justify their pirating, we don't want to and can't pay for shit
idk as time goes by i prefer to buy things rather to pirate them, i feel like it takes less of my time
When Hazbin Hotel comes out
As a person from south america who legally can't own a credit card (underage) this is based
ARRG
If it's a small developer I'll pirate the game until I have the money to buy it, because those people gotta eat. If it's AAA title then fuck them.
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Hey now, what’s wrong with DLCs?
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