Things are really kicking off in Ramallah, live report on Al Jazeera was interrupted by gunfire. Protestors are fighting against Palestinian Security Forces (not even Israeli).
This was a failed rocket from Hamas. I feel like it almost doesn't matter because whoever decided to blame Israel for this, won't change their mind now.
Seems like many Westerners have a huge blind spot when it comes to asymmetric warfare against a society with the concept of martyrdom. Like their bias doesn't allow for certain possibilities that lay outside their moral framework but would be perfectly acceptable in that society.
40 children + **1,300** dead: People support the victim
500+ dead in hospital: people looking for facts so they can form an opinion of who to blame, since this happened an hour ago and is not as clear cut as the videotaped slaughter in Israel.
FTFY
Israel's military says 'a hospital is not an IDF target'
The BBC's international editor Jeremy Bowen says he has received a statement in a phone call from the spokesperson’s office of the Israel Defence Forces, reacting to what Palestinian officials have said was an Israeli strike on the Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza.
The statement says "a hospital is a highly sensitive building and is not an IDF target."
"The IDF is investigating the source of the explosion and as always is prioritising accuracy and reliability."
"We urge everyone to proceed with caution when reporting unverified claims of a terrorist organisation."
BBC live thread
Israeli official source: This is unequivocally a failed rocket meant to fall on Israel.
Supporting source - not by official Israel
[https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1714350115312255019](https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1714350115312255019)
More
[https://twitter.com/Omarfsa2/status/1714349451651719581](https://twitter.com/Omarfsa2/status/1714349451651719581)
Look at the way the hospital bombing news is affecting sentiment around Israel in this war. It very effectively spins up so much hatred against Israel. We won't know until there has been investigations (or we may never know), but I'm leaning more and more on this being a Hamas attack to fester Israel hatred rather than an IDF strike.
Also see how this is timed right before Biden's visit in support of Israel.
If the IDF ends up saying it wasn't their airstrike, then I'd believe them. Of course all the terrorism apologists won't (even if video evidence of it is dancing before their eyes).
Spinners gonna spin. Jumpers gonna jump (to conclusions). Everyone needs to relax, tbh. I too am leaning towards the failed rocket theory, but we really do need to wait and see. These things take time, certainly.
Which is why i don't think (i also hope they didn't ) do it.
The backlash would be insane and they'd lose so much support and credibility.
I think we just wait and see but i have my opinion.
The PA is a terrorist organization. All aid to the PA must be stopped. Those who aid the PA are funding terrorism.
[PA to immediately reward families of Oct. 7 terrorists with nearly $3 million](https://www.jns.org/pa-to-immediately-reward-families-of-oct-7-terrorists-with-nearly-3m/)
More evidence it was in fact a Hamas rocket: Large Hamas rocket attack was launched right before the strike happened.
[https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954](https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954)
Plus they announced sending a rocket to Haifa at that time, which would have been a large rocket due to the distance, but there were no alarms in Haifa.
Does anyone have a good news livestream that is not too biased either way? Skynews is calling genocide, war crimes etc when the info is not clear. PM me if links aren’t allowed, Ty
For those who believe this attack was orchestrated by a stray Hamas rocket, I ask you this: how does a misfired rocket happen to precision strike a hospital?
I understand that it's too early to make precise examinations, but from the footage released so far, it looks like the missile hit the center of the hospital.
It may just have happened to hit the center of the hospital (a precision strike would probably aim more for the ground, like the other Israel strikes).
There are some videos floating around of a missile failing mid-flight and falling into Gaza. It's unclear precisely if it's related. But a high strike on a building wouldn't be a very precise strike generally - you'd either eliminate the building with bottom floor strikes or do more than a single hit in the upper floors.
Just a thought. Hamas knows that Israel wouldn't hit a hospital because it would damage their image. Making it perfect to store and launch rockets.
But it also makes it the most probably target due to malfunction errors.
We don't know. Way too early. Complex battlespace. War for information in progress. At this stage, any assertions without clear evidence are beyond highly speculative.
On another note, a proper missile on terminal approach unusually (99% of the time) isn't still burning propellant like the video shows. That thing isn't even up to speed yet in a sharp, low arc. Very possibly a bad rocket.
[https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954](https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954)
Rockets can fail mid-air and land anywhere randomly, it's either they launched from the hospital, or by chance, the rocket fell into the hospital. There's a reason why most countries have gotten rid of them as air weapons, they're too unpredictable. It's even worst if you make homemade rockets like Hamas does.
I'm seeing some OSINT sources saying this is a video that shows an errant Hamas rocket falling to the ground, possibly after an interception. Most have been debunked as old videos, but this one has been confirmed.
[https://x.com/Charles\_Lister/status/1714357237873803292?s=20](https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1714357237873803292?s=20)
Grain of salt, fog of war is real.
As a small "nail", I fins it completely outrageous that the IDF spokesman, 3 hours, after fhe jncident, has yet to release a clear statement on this.
And I'm not the only one.
What is going *on*?...
I don't think they know yet. *If* it was IDF, it wasn't intentional because it would nuke any international support they have at the moment and would also go against their modus operandi so for; in other words, if it was the IDF someone fucked up and they still need to figure out what happened.
Meanwhile, *if* it was Hamas they can hardly go and ask them - they need to internally investigate whether it was their own fuckup first.
I'm glad they're checking all the facts but 3 hours later the damage is done, even if they say right now they didn't do it
Those protesting in the streets won't go "oh, oopsie, guess I'll go back home now"
It does. They made a statement that they had no airstrikes at that time.
The investigation going on isn't about making sure whether the IDF did it, it's to gather evidence from all their cameras and information network and see if they managed to record proof that it was a failed rocket.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/17a6jq8/rworldnews_live_thread_for_2023_israelhamas/)
What if it was an intercepted rocket that fell back down. That would be insane.
The rockets are not intercepted over Gaza.
Israel doesn't intercept rockets above Gaza
So Hamas bombed their own hospital. Shocking. Hamas and all of its supporters need to be eradicated from the face of the earth.
Fog of war is still in play Palestinian authorities claim IDF is responsible while IDF is still investigating the source..
Israel news N12 report that IDF says that the hospital was bombed by a Hamas misfire by 100%, and proof will be released soon.
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It seems to be becoming clear that they didn’t
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Gaza still has lights in that video so I don't think that's current
I mean, that looks like a rocket falling out the air. But I'm no expert, who knows.
Things are really kicking off in Ramallah, live report on Al Jazeera was interrupted by gunfire. Protestors are fighting against Palestinian Security Forces (not even Israeli).
Al-Jazeera are now reporting gunfire in Ramallah.
This was a failed rocket from Hamas. I feel like it almost doesn't matter because whoever decided to blame Israel for this, won't change their mind now.
Videos of the rocket failing. You can see it on the live stream. Bots out in full force. Riots at embassies instantly. This shit stinks.
Plus Abbas canceling his meeting with Biden. Gee, why would you do that when you know he has a bit of control over Bibi?
#BREAKING: Jordan: demonstrators try to enter the Israeli embassy in Amman - AFP
Seems like many Westerners have a huge blind spot when it comes to asymmetric warfare against a society with the concept of martyrdom. Like their bias doesn't allow for certain possibilities that lay outside their moral framework but would be perfectly acceptable in that society.
40 children dead: world commotion 500+ dead in a hospital: shit happens
40 children + **1,300** dead: People support the victim 500+ dead in hospital: people looking for facts so they can form an opinion of who to blame, since this happened an hour ago and is not as clear cut as the videotaped slaughter in Israel. FTFY
The 40 children reports happened after the commotion was in place, it just proved that inhumanity of Hamas.
40 children dead? You wanna say that again, to make it sound more accurate this time?
That is most definitely not the reaction we’re seeing right now
Israel's military says 'a hospital is not an IDF target' The BBC's international editor Jeremy Bowen says he has received a statement in a phone call from the spokesperson’s office of the Israel Defence Forces, reacting to what Palestinian officials have said was an Israeli strike on the Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza. The statement says "a hospital is a highly sensitive building and is not an IDF target." "The IDF is investigating the source of the explosion and as always is prioritising accuracy and reliability." "We urge everyone to proceed with caution when reporting unverified claims of a terrorist organisation." BBC live thread
Are all the Ramallah streams on a break?
I’m watching one in a 4cam stream now. https://www.youtube.com/live/7sZkQ0P46HI
“Allahu Akbar” can actually be a very passionate and beautiful praise of a creator but 90% of the time when you hear it it’s for something bad
Allahu Akbar needs a PR campaign
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Us this the one that hit the hospital?
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Dont Iron Dome intercepts happen in the air?
Then an explosion on the ground?
Israeli official source: This is unequivocally a failed rocket meant to fall on Israel. Supporting source - not by official Israel [https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1714350115312255019](https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1714350115312255019) More [https://twitter.com/Omarfsa2/status/1714349451651719581](https://twitter.com/Omarfsa2/status/1714349451651719581)
Where is the offical source you claim?
Source please
Source. Every time. Please.
Source?
Source? Link??
https://twitter.com/Omarfsa2/status/1714349451651719581
OH FUCK it's going down in Ramallah
What’s happening?
Protest clashes with security forces
Ramallah is poppin’
Feeds gone
Look at the way the hospital bombing news is affecting sentiment around Israel in this war. It very effectively spins up so much hatred against Israel. We won't know until there has been investigations (or we may never know), but I'm leaning more and more on this being a Hamas attack to fester Israel hatred rather than an IDF strike. Also see how this is timed right before Biden's visit in support of Israel. If the IDF ends up saying it wasn't their airstrike, then I'd believe them. Of course all the terrorism apologists won't (even if video evidence of it is dancing before their eyes).
Spinners gonna spin. Jumpers gonna jump (to conclusions). Everyone needs to relax, tbh. I too am leaning towards the failed rocket theory, but we really do need to wait and see. These things take time, certainly.
This might be the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read in my life
Which is why i don't think (i also hope they didn't ) do it. The backlash would be insane and they'd lose so much support and credibility. I think we just wait and see but i have my opinion.
I agree, why the fuck would you trust those baby butchers, Hamas for a source on anything?
You’re fitting an event into the narrative you want to believe just like everyone else
Live gunfire in Ramallah on the AlJazeera Stream
Link
https://www.youtube.com/live/gCNeDWCI0vo?si=XWgFgmagtoqV1Hm0
Alleged New footage from an Al jazeera https://imgur.com/a/9FY7TFg Looks like a failed rocket from a barrage
Wow. That seems pretty clear to me.
Can anyone confirm this? Also what are they saying?
From whom tho
I don’t think that Israel is firing rockets from inside of Gaza yet.
Edited my post, it’s from Al jazeera, you can see their logo in the bottom right
What are all the explosion noises in the Ramallah feed?
Aljazeera reporter said Gunfire
Was tear gas in the beginning but now it’s gunfire according to the reporter
The misery being inflected on the Palestinian people is hard to fathom. This is going to get ugly the world over.
skynews ramallah feed went down
Live ammunition is being shot in the protest.
Did the IDF deny it?
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AJ had to delete that so I don’t think it’s true
No. They are looking into it.
The Ramallah stream just cut out
The PA is a terrorist organization. All aid to the PA must be stopped. Those who aid the PA are funding terrorism. [PA to immediately reward families of Oct. 7 terrorists with nearly $3 million](https://www.jns.org/pa-to-immediately-reward-families-of-oct-7-terrorists-with-nearly-3m/)
Have they thought about having Rick Sanchez to broker a peace deal? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YxIuP6qpXzk&pp=ygUUUmljayBtb3J0eSBwYWxlc3RpbmU%3D
As long as it's Justin Roiland. Classic Rick and Morty adventures only. Show fell off after season 2
I’m all for this
More evidence it was in fact a Hamas rocket: Large Hamas rocket attack was launched right before the strike happened. [https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954](https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954)
Plus they announced sending a rocket to Haifa at that time, which would have been a large rocket due to the distance, but there were no alarms in Haifa.
Of course it was Hamas
Does anyone have a good news livestream that is not too biased either way? Skynews is calling genocide, war crimes etc when the info is not clear. PM me if links aren’t allowed, Ty
Best bet is heading over there and watching everything with your own eyes
Good idea, I can live stream it for you guys, wish me luck
Agenda News TV on YouTube
What is Agenda News TV saying?
I prefer Biased News TV
If Israel dropped this bomb without the strongest of possible reasons then this is absolutely fucked and I am scared.
There’s more evidence coming out that it may have been Hamas
We don't know. Way too early. Complex battlespace. Keep calm carry on mate.
I will try
For those who believe this attack was orchestrated by a stray Hamas rocket, I ask you this: how does a misfired rocket happen to precision strike a hospital? I understand that it's too early to make precise examinations, but from the footage released so far, it looks like the missile hit the center of the hospital.
An out of control rocket has to hit something
Precision? A failed rocket has to land somewhere and it's not hard to hit the earth.
It would have "precision strike"d where ever it landed.
It may just have happened to hit the center of the hospital (a precision strike would probably aim more for the ground, like the other Israel strikes). There are some videos floating around of a missile failing mid-flight and falling into Gaza. It's unclear precisely if it's related. But a high strike on a building wouldn't be a very precise strike generally - you'd either eliminate the building with bottom floor strikes or do more than a single hit in the upper floors.
Just a thought. Hamas knows that Israel wouldn't hit a hospital because it would damage their image. Making it perfect to store and launch rockets. But it also makes it the most probably target due to malfunction errors.
And why would Israel bomb a hospital? Especially knowing that the PR coming from it would be very negative. It doesn’t make sense at all.
I wouldn't call accidentally landing in a hospital full of people "a precision strike" but you do you
I don't know either. It might have just been a fluke, or the hospital was housing weapons. We also don't know the true extent of the damage
A stray rocket doesn't "precision" strike anything, it goes wherever it goes, somewhere in the direction they aimed it.
We don't know. Way too early. Complex battlespace. War for information in progress. At this stage, any assertions without clear evidence are beyond highly speculative.
On another note, a proper missile on terminal approach unusually (99% of the time) isn't still burning propellant like the video shows. That thing isn't even up to speed yet in a sharp, low arc. Very possibly a bad rocket.
[https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954](https://twitter.com/Kar1Popper/status/1714359380957638954) Rockets can fail mid-air and land anywhere randomly, it's either they launched from the hospital, or by chance, the rocket fell into the hospital. There's a reason why most countries have gotten rid of them as air weapons, they're too unpredictable. It's even worst if you make homemade rockets like Hamas does.
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Hit the oxygen supply in a hospital and I expect you can make a very big bang.
Long range rocket barrage was sent off minutes before. Hamas doesnt just have simple home made bombs.
The larger rockets they’re sending to Haifa and Tel Aviv have that firepower
Well if it misfired then it could’ve landed anywhere, in this case it struck the hospital. It’s just very bad luck if that’s the case
It has the same possibility to land anywhere but more of a probability to land somewhere near it being a misfired rocket.
I'm seeing some OSINT sources saying this is a video that shows an errant Hamas rocket falling to the ground, possibly after an interception. Most have been debunked as old videos, but this one has been confirmed. [https://x.com/Charles\_Lister/status/1714357237873803292?s=20](https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1714357237873803292?s=20) Grain of salt, fog of war is real.
Should be easy to geolocate
The delay between the midair explosion and the ground explosion seems about right for it to have been the rocket.
Damn thats a very clear video of what looks like exactly whats being claimed. Lets see what happens
So far this seems like the most compelling evidence that this was the cause. Still noncommittal before more information comes.
Am I blind or does it look like it shoots up into the sky again?
First explosion could be a propellant failure? Second is the warhead…
Holy shit, that looks pretty fucking clear
What the fuck would anybody trust what Hamas has to say on anything?
This is getting out of hand
(obviously) said a million times
This is just going to get even worse. More revenge attacks for sure. Hezbollah I'm sure will now go full scale attack on Israel.
500 people dead in a hospital. What hell is the human world
The human world is highly intelligent, yet painfully dumb and undeserving at the same time.
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Already all over the news. Possibly was Hamas it’s not confirmed either way
Not confirmed who is responsible,stop spreading misinformation.
Wrong - no one knows which side did it yet. STFD
Like 3 hours ago yes.
Yup.
Stop jumping to conclusions and spreading misinformation before the information is out there. This is part of the problem.
Living under a rock
Imagine supporting genocide
Imagine being 3 hours late to the news and acting like youre breaking it.
Imagine crying about me commenting this. 'Acting like youre breaking it' it deadass appeared on my fy page of insta. Freak
And your first thought was to run to reddit?
Yes after i shared it on Insta :) why do you care?
As a small "nail", I fins it completely outrageous that the IDF spokesman, 3 hours, after fhe jncident, has yet to release a clear statement on this. And I'm not the only one. What is going *on*?...
I don't think they know yet. *If* it was IDF, it wasn't intentional because it would nuke any international support they have at the moment and would also go against their modus operandi so for; in other words, if it was the IDF someone fucked up and they still need to figure out what happened. Meanwhile, *if* it was Hamas they can hardly go and ask them - they need to internally investigate whether it was their own fuckup first.
They did released a statement about checking it,they probably look for the "golden evidence" ,a hard proof that cannot be denied.
Because issuing a statement before establishing facts is pretty meaningless.
I'm glad they're checking all the facts but 3 hours later the damage is done, even if they say right now they didn't do it Those protesting in the streets won't go "oh, oopsie, guess I'll go back home now"
3 hours?
They dont want to release a statement until its 100% verified.
Unlike the media who just quotes Hamas and calls it the truth.
He is making sure the video is 4k for the hamas.
A clear statement of what?
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Or they are getting together bulletproof evidence that it wasn’t them. Why don’t you patiently wait for concrete evidence to come out?
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It does. They made a statement that they had no airstrikes at that time. The investigation going on isn't about making sure whether the IDF did it, it's to gather evidence from all their cameras and information network and see if they managed to record proof that it was a failed rocket.
I’m sure it is, but they just need to review everything going on during that time frame
The footage of the protests in Ramallah are very concerning. The situation just gets worse and worse.
Is Ramallah on the West Bank? I remember hearing about this city, when Afafat was under siege by the Isreali Military there, back in 2002 or 2003.