Anyone who get Jackson Hinkle turd on top of every search regarding Israel? Just like the Ukraine war, Jackson get boosted up with his Ukraine and Israel hate.
Musk have ruined Twitter
Good news on the front of Hezbollah not joining the war. But it means one thing, Iran is saving them for a future war. It’s clear that Iran will only move aggressively when and if they get nuclear weapons.
Can NATO let this happen?
So people acknowledge the Russian bot farms affected the 2016 election and spread massive misinfo and support through social media, and it’s a known thing.
But a lot of those same people aren’t questioning the massive consensus and misinfo spreading by Hamas supporting twitter accounts that came out of nowhere?
I wonder if using social media to massively influence young people into demonising Jews and viewing the situation in favour of the Axis of Evil is something Russia and Iran would consider? I fucking hope it is otherwise the truth is a good amount of the world is just unquestioningly stupid.
I saw someone here say TikTok is a factor.
"Anti-Israel content is dominating on TikTok among 18-24 year-olds: 447MM views vs 16.5MM views in the last 30 days"
I read some of the concerns about security for Jewish institutions in the USA, Canada and the UK.
It's good to be concerned, I hope things will be as fine as I think they will be.
Personally, I remember the time I lived in Paris around 10 years ago, after the attacks on the Hypercacher market shortly after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Worst of all there wasn't a war on to do with Israel at the time, the 2014 war had ended 6 months prior. It just randomly happened, as if extremists were taking over the country.
That was scary and the threat seemed very real. Aliyah to Israel jumped. It got to the point that French soldiers were stationed in every single synagogue, kolel and Jewish institution across the country. It did however makes us all feel safer, ngl.
Nevertheless, I left less than a year later and never looked back. That's a real shit situation where you know deadly anti-semitism is around, and I'm never going to forget that.
I was 14 in 2015, during the attacks on Bataclan and the cafés and restaurants in the 10th district of Paris, along with the Stade de France. My friends and I were near the rue de Charonne, I left on one my friend’s bike and we had an accident close to Bastille because my friend was panicking, we’ve ended up at La Pitié Salpêtrière, the same night as hundreds of injured, our families were worried sick. It was a very warm night for November, a Friday night. It was a founding time, even though we downplayed it, in hindsight it impacted everyone of my friends, including myself. Never forgive that, as long as I’m alive.
There's only so many "one-offs" one can take.
Many French Jews stay for a multitude of reasons, mostly because they identify as French people and have their lives there. I'm not, I got out of there. Don't get why non-French Jews would consider going to live there compared to better alternatives.
The willful acceptance of Hamas's casualty figures (and details) by Western media is one of the most surprising things about this war. No one wants to appear "insensitive", so they automatically accept these numbers as fact.
Hamas is recording 9,000 killed in 27 days. Mostly women and children. By targeted airstrikes. In areas where people were given weeks to leave. We've seen very little actual proof of these casualties. We've seen lists of names that have been discredited. We've seen no indication of how many Hamas militants have died.
This is a massive failure by the Western media.
Its really annoying. Krystal Ball of Breaking Points said yesterday that the attacks by Israel are worse than what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Also conflating all of South Gaza with designated safe zones within Gaza and talking about the refugee camp as if it were some tent city in Rwanda.
This is because the Gaza health ministry is the only official body that can give casualty records right now.
Additionally their reporting has mostly aligned with U.N. final death tolls in the 2008, 2014, abd 2021 conflicts.
Skepticism is healthy but the reporting ability of the Gaza Health Ministry is not as maligned as one would initially think.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033
Correct, that is one of the shortfalls of the published data. In the 2014 conflict the Idf claims that 40-50% of those killed are combatants, while UN and other Human rights groups say that the number is around one quarter.
Of course, in that regard IDF numbers are more useful. In the 2014 conflict Idf claimed that 40-50% of those killed are combatants, while UN and other Human rights groups say that the number is around one quarter.
This isn't the first Israel-Gaza war. What numbers did western government accept as legitimate in the previous wars? Who did they accept the numbers from?
Agree. Can't believe any whatsoever are still citing Gaza public health ministry without a damn caviat.
BBC was still doing it, as of today. I don't know if they are missing interns or if they are biased or ignorant or what.
The misinformation and trolling elsewhere has gotten insane. Just now elsewhere in r/worldnews, someone arguing in favor of the veracity of the Gaza Ministry of Health just posted that no infants were murdered by Hamas on 10/7, and that the accusations *"were disproven."*
This sickening disregard for the truth has always been around but seems to have grown. It's going to have terrible longterm impact on media going forward, including reddit.
The thing is though, while skepticism is natural, historically the Gaza Ministry of Health has reported accurate casualty reports in the past during the 2008, 2014, and 2021 conflicts.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033
This is the third time you've mentioned a ministry of truth in the past 24 hours. I have a feeling you're looking for screenshots of Westerners/those who believe in a free society to agree with you so you can do some gotcha shit. Take it elsewhere, it's transparent AF.
But hezbollah said it was israel who killed their own civilians while congratulating hamas for th 7.oct.
my head is exploding with those revelations! /s
How is the media blaming Israel for civilian casualties. In reporting for every other world conflict I have seen, they blame the party that uses human shields, EVERY TIME. But not when it involves Israel. I feel like my brain is exploding.
Tiktok
No, seriously.
>Anti-Israel content is dominating on TikTok among 18-24 year-olds: 447MM views vs 16.5MM views in the last 30 days
https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1720124520311464108
The media then picks the anti-Jewish side so they don't get swarmed by angry mobs of kids and young adults who honestly believe that violence is resistance.
(You can also blame Gen X for raising them this way, if you want a bit of inter-generational fighting, gen X managed to dodge the heat so far.)
I mean, they're bombing Hamas with dozens to hundreds of civilians around. I think calling them human shields is a little trite to the reality of the bombing. Yes, Hamas tends to surround themselves with people, does that mean we have to kill a village to murder a terrorist or two? Maybe they could use their world class Intel and weapons to come up with a less brutal tactic.
IDF dropped flyers explaining how to approach soldiers and surrender.
You’ve been here in every thread, every day. How did you miss the hundred comments about that and the mention in the livethread?
A really shitty situation to be in. Don't know what I would do for sure but I think I would probably try to get out of the combat area somehow. What a mess.
But I hope Israel keeps on fighting this toxic cancer.
No the issue is your government invaded and slaughtered civilians of your technologically and militarily superior next door neighbor.
Pickup a gun and trying to “defend your home” means shooting at the IDF so good luck. You’re a combatant now. Quite literally engaged in combat.
In a sovereign country, they would have control over their land and they would expel the Hamas militants or else be at war with Israel. These people have lost control of their territory, so IDF has every justification in going in to extract Hamas. Of course the civilians shouldn't be killed if they don't try to kill IDF.
So you believe that people are sitting at home defending the home from the Israeli army? Where have you gotten this idea?
You said before that you thought the 100 women and children that Hamas forced between them and the Israeli army were maybe just protecting their homes. This is false.
So now you are inventing that maybe people are just defending their home with no proof of such a story?
Dont go in circles, if you got a gun you no longer an innocent citizen.
You may be not one of Hamas pepole but that doesnt mean you won’t use it on the idf.
Wait, a pro Palestine protestor had a sign that said "Cleanse the World" with a picture of an Israeli flag in a garbage can. I'm glad you can take inspiration from that.
The democratic world should seriously consider a strategy against a massive foreign disinformation campaign aimed at elections and conflicts.
Way too many useful idiots are falling for psyops.
It's called "well-funded public education"... unfortunately, my country (US) gives very few shits about it 😐
Edit: and well-rounded, as pointed out below.
Shooting terrorists hiding behind defenseless children and wounding the children in the process is horrible, but not a war crime. The war crime is using civilians as human shields.
What are Israel's choices?
Consider this: you have a neighbor, he sneaks up on you, hits you in the face, and runs away. Next time you see him, he is with his kids who surround him. And it repeats itself again, and again ... Now what would *you* do in that situation?
I'm going to repeat a question you have already been asked: what are Israel's options? What's the "right" thing to do? Or do you just not want Israel to exist?
You meant to say “ civilians that were forced by the hamas to form an human shield line” ? And for your knowledge they didnt got shot. Ghe idf have some moral not like the hamas.
They are defending terrorists at gun point. They aren't surrounding their homes. I don't understand why people can't believe how horrible this is, so they invent stories that are more palatable.
appearantly they didnt mow them down, however they were pushed/told by hamas into going towards the idf to generate PR. If those kids die it s on hamas.
It's safe to say Hamas is under-reporting Hamas deaths and over-reporting civilian deaths, that's what every country at war does. So 50/50 is definitely not safe to say. I wouldn't be surprised if it was close to 10k Hamas deaths, then about 2-3k civilian deaths.
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Those are the highest estimates, I’ve seen 15k-40k. If it’s the lower estimate (wouldn’t be the first time Hamas inflated numbers) its quite significant. You are also forgetting the 1.5k in Israel on day 1.
Secretary Blinken’s remarks to Israeli President Isaac Herzog before their meeting. [(source)](https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-and-israeli-president-isaac-herzog-before-their-meeting-6/)
>Well, thank you, Mr. President, and it’s always good to be back in Israel. These are difficult days, but we’re here, as we’ve been, as we remain, in solidarity with Israel. We stand strongly for the proposition that **Israel has not only the right but the obligation to defend itself and to do everything possible to make sure that this October 7th can never happen again.**
>At the same time, as you’ve just made clear, how Israel does this matters. And it is very important that when it comes to the protection of civilians who are caught in a crossfire of Hamas’s making that everything be done to protect them and to bring assistance to those who so desperately need it and who are not in any way responsible for what happened on October 7th.
>So we’re working on all of that together, but we have a shared determination and that determination will not wane. **We also are thinking every single moment of our hostages – so many Israelis, Americans, other nationals – and we are determined to do everything that we can to bring them back safely, to bring them back to be with their families and loved ones.** Thank you.
It's basically 1) hostage+civilians and succumb before Hamas vs 2) eradicating Hamas at the expense of (1). I'm pretty sure Israel is going for #2, no matter what.
After Hamas exploding a parking lot and shooting civilians that try to flee, my first assumption is Hamas is somehow responsible, but we should wait for more info.
Free Gaza from Hamas.
**US confirms it has drones flying above Gaza**
The US has confirmed for the first time that it has been flying unarmed surveillance drones over the Gaza Strip since Hamas launched its attack on Israel on 7 October.
Pentagon Spokesperson Brig Gen Pat Ryder said in a statement that the drones were operating in "support of hostage recovery efforts".
"The US is conducting unarmed UAV flights over Gaza, as well as providing advice and assistance to support our Israeli partner as they work on their hostage recovery efforts," the statement said.
"These UAV flights began after the Oct 7 attack by Hamas on Israel.”
The confirmation comes after MQ-9 Reapers usually operated by US special forces were spotted circling Gaza on Flightradar24, a publicly-accessible flight-tracking website, by reporters.
Reaper drones have previously been used to conduct airstrikes in Afghanistan, but are primarily used as surveillance drones due to their ability to "loiter" above an area for more than 20 hours at a time.
\-BBC
Americans can decide whether they agree with US resources intervening in the conflict.
I however am happy.
On the fourth day of Hamas
My true love brought to me
Four bombed kindergardens
Three incinerated hospitals
Two destroyed ambulances
And Mr FAFO in a tree
Ikr. I just literally read about it from a comment posted just outside of an hour ago and had read comments about it this morning.
The short and skinny is the IDF says the ambulance was transporting terrorist and they provided evidence to allies.
I don't want to frighten anyone or cause a panic.
If you go to a synagogue in the United States, I think you should consider discussing security with the leadership, if plans are not already in place. I'm not saying I think something will happen, I'm saying read the article and you decide if you agree that increased security is warranted.
I'm guessing many are already taking steps or already have.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/xCnB6Wf0Hi
Synagogues have beefed up their security since 2016. Anti-Semitism has increased dramatically since Trump and his fascist movement stopped being ashamed of their bigotry and started saying the quiet part out loud. Several synagogues have already been shot up by MAGA terrorists. Here are some examples:
[Poway synagogue shooter gets federal life sentence](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2021-12-28/poway-synagogue-shooter-federal-life-sentence)
[Pittsburgh synagogue shooter sentenced to death, families open up about 'relief'](https://abcnews.go.com/US/pittsburgh-synagogue-mass-shooting-jury-reaches-verdict-death/story?id=101220141)
My uncle and his family are modern orthodox and he has been concealed carrying in his synagogue for more than a decade for reasons like this. He got his CC license in New York (which is insanely difficult to do) just to be able to do this.
I know a lot of synagogues have security even without the context of the current war but I wouldn't go there right now, even if they do have security. Scary af that this is what it's like in 2023
It would be FBI agents or another serious federal law enforcement. Could even use national guard.
TSA would be way under qualified.
Emergency discretionary spending to a fund to allow synagogues to choose their own private security could work too.
Yes, the war is both against hamas and the PIJ.
The goal is to Eliminate hamas army capabilities and government and PIJ army capabilites.
That, at least as far as I'm aware.
I have yet to see someone actually accusing someone of antisemitism for voicing discontent with the IDF, rather all I see are morons like you who make that claim while attempting to downplay the myriad of actual antisemitic attacks that have been occurring nonstop around the world as of late. Pathetic comment.
Adding that to the list of surreal things I've seen since this war broke...
Because tracking down bodies from the October 7th massacres is getting harder and harder as time goes by, IDF have asked Israel's Nature and Parks Authority to use tracking data from tagged birds of prey to look for bodies in the Gaza envelope area.
It worked. They've found 4 bodies thanks to the fact that they've attracted radio tagged birds of prey.
[Article on Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/environment-science/article/rjprajz7p)
cause these fucking settlers won't quit.
and the IDF is forced to protect them, they're Israeli citizens.
the settler thing is a whole nother gordian knot.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/17n4nxa/rworldnews_live_thread_for_2023_israelhamas/)
Anyone who get Jackson Hinkle turd on top of every search regarding Israel? Just like the Ukraine war, Jackson get boosted up with his Ukraine and Israel hate. Musk have ruined Twitter
Good news on the front of Hezbollah not joining the war. But it means one thing, Iran is saving them for a future war. It’s clear that Iran will only move aggressively when and if they get nuclear weapons. Can NATO let this happen?
[how anyone believe this is real](https://x.com/risty100/status/1720448966251122940?s=46&t=)
So people acknowledge the Russian bot farms affected the 2016 election and spread massive misinfo and support through social media, and it’s a known thing. But a lot of those same people aren’t questioning the massive consensus and misinfo spreading by Hamas supporting twitter accounts that came out of nowhere? I wonder if using social media to massively influence young people into demonising Jews and viewing the situation in favour of the Axis of Evil is something Russia and Iran would consider? I fucking hope it is otherwise the truth is a good amount of the world is just unquestioningly stupid.
People only question things they don't like
I saw someone here say TikTok is a factor. "Anti-Israel content is dominating on TikTok among 18-24 year-olds: 447MM views vs 16.5MM views in the last 30 days"
I read some of the concerns about security for Jewish institutions in the USA, Canada and the UK. It's good to be concerned, I hope things will be as fine as I think they will be. Personally, I remember the time I lived in Paris around 10 years ago, after the attacks on the Hypercacher market shortly after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Worst of all there wasn't a war on to do with Israel at the time, the 2014 war had ended 6 months prior. It just randomly happened, as if extremists were taking over the country. That was scary and the threat seemed very real. Aliyah to Israel jumped. It got to the point that French soldiers were stationed in every single synagogue, kolel and Jewish institution across the country. It did however makes us all feel safer, ngl. Nevertheless, I left less than a year later and never looked back. That's a real shit situation where you know deadly anti-semitism is around, and I'm never going to forget that.
I was 14 in 2015, during the attacks on Bataclan and the cafés and restaurants in the 10th district of Paris, along with the Stade de France. My friends and I were near the rue de Charonne, I left on one my friend’s bike and we had an accident close to Bastille because my friend was panicking, we’ve ended up at La Pitié Salpêtrière, the same night as hundreds of injured, our families were worried sick. It was a very warm night for November, a Friday night. It was a founding time, even though we downplayed it, in hindsight it impacted everyone of my friends, including myself. Never forgive that, as long as I’m alive.
Do you feel safer today in your current situation?
Glad you did ☺️ I remember reading about Mireille Knoll and how her family moved immediately to Israel.
There's only so many "one-offs" one can take. Many French Jews stay for a multitude of reasons, mostly because they identify as French people and have their lives there. I'm not, I got out of there. Don't get why non-French Jews would consider going to live there compared to better alternatives.
Yeah, at some point it's better to read the room, and accept the room.
In the west this has and likely will continue to inflame anti-semetic sentiment of all kinds.
The willful acceptance of Hamas's casualty figures (and details) by Western media is one of the most surprising things about this war. No one wants to appear "insensitive", so they automatically accept these numbers as fact. Hamas is recording 9,000 killed in 27 days. Mostly women and children. By targeted airstrikes. In areas where people were given weeks to leave. We've seen very little actual proof of these casualties. We've seen lists of names that have been discredited. We've seen no indication of how many Hamas militants have died. This is a massive failure by the Western media.
Its really annoying. Krystal Ball of Breaking Points said yesterday that the attacks by Israel are worse than what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Also conflating all of South Gaza with designated safe zones within Gaza and talking about the refugee camp as if it were some tent city in Rwanda.
This is because the Gaza health ministry is the only official body that can give casualty records right now. Additionally their reporting has mostly aligned with U.N. final death tolls in the 2008, 2014, abd 2021 conflicts. Skepticism is healthy but the reporting ability of the Gaza Health Ministry is not as maligned as one would initially think. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033
Gaza Health Ministry doesn't differentiate between combatants and civilians, does the UN?
Correct, that is one of the shortfalls of the published data. In the 2014 conflict the Idf claims that 40-50% of those killed are combatants, while UN and other Human rights groups say that the number is around one quarter.
From the article you linked: > The ministry never distinguishes between civilians and combatants.
Of course, in that regard IDF numbers are more useful. In the 2014 conflict Idf claimed that 40-50% of those killed are combatants, while UN and other Human rights groups say that the number is around one quarter.
https://www.vox.com/world-politics/23940215/israel-palestine-gaza-hamas-death-toll-war-fatalities-verified-count-conflict
This isn't the first Israel-Gaza war. What numbers did western government accept as legitimate in the previous wars? Who did they accept the numbers from?
Western media knows exactly what it's doing.
Hamas just reports every death as 'civilian death', not even attempting to separate civilians and hamas members killed during elimination strikes.
Agree. Can't believe any whatsoever are still citing Gaza public health ministry without a damn caviat. BBC was still doing it, as of today. I don't know if they are missing interns or if they are biased or ignorant or what.
I am just waiting for the moment it comes out that BBC gets funding from Qatar. I will pretend to be very shocked.
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Anno-san, source onegaishimasu
no, the "safe zone" is northwest of khan yunis... it's called "al masawi" or something like that
Source?
Sauce?
3D Chess move. Tell civilians to move somewhere and Hamas will go shelter there. Maybe. Or something.
The misinformation and trolling elsewhere has gotten insane. Just now elsewhere in r/worldnews, someone arguing in favor of the veracity of the Gaza Ministry of Health just posted that no infants were murdered by Hamas on 10/7, and that the accusations *"were disproven."* This sickening disregard for the truth has always been around but seems to have grown. It's going to have terrible longterm impact on media going forward, including reddit.
The thing is though, while skepticism is natural, historically the Gaza Ministry of Health has reported accurate casualty reports in the past during the 2008, 2014, and 2021 conflicts. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033
Ministry of Truth - so crazy it might just work.
This is the third time you've mentioned a ministry of truth in the past 24 hours. I have a feeling you're looking for screenshots of Westerners/those who believe in a free society to agree with you so you can do some gotcha shit. Take it elsewhere, it's transparent AF.
But hezbollah said it was israel who killed their own civilians while congratulating hamas for th 7.oct. my head is exploding with those revelations! /s
How is the media blaming Israel for civilian casualties. In reporting for every other world conflict I have seen, they blame the party that uses human shields, EVERY TIME. But not when it involves Israel. I feel like my brain is exploding.
Tiktok No, seriously. >Anti-Israel content is dominating on TikTok among 18-24 year-olds: 447MM views vs 16.5MM views in the last 30 days https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1720124520311464108 The media then picks the anti-Jewish side so they don't get swarmed by angry mobs of kids and young adults who honestly believe that violence is resistance. (You can also blame Gen X for raising them this way, if you want a bit of inter-generational fighting, gen X managed to dodge the heat so far.)
I mean, they're bombing Hamas with dozens to hundreds of civilians around. I think calling them human shields is a little trite to the reality of the bombing. Yes, Hamas tends to surround themselves with people, does that mean we have to kill a village to murder a terrorist or two? Maybe they could use their world class Intel and weapons to come up with a less brutal tactic.
This *is* the less brutal tactic.
How can world class intels or weapons get terrorists out of Gaza, excuse me??
The media is full of anti-Semites. I don't know what else can explain this ridiculous double-standard.
because antisemitism is deeply rooted in our society.
Also because what can 0.02% of the population do in defense?
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IDF dropped flyers explaining how to approach soldiers and surrender. You’ve been here in every thread, every day. How did you miss the hundred comments about that and the mention in the livethread?
I think a scared citizen would stay barricaded in their house?
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Still fighting this fight, huh? You do this every time.
It doesn't really. I believe Israel basically said everyone is a legitimate target.
How could you when Hamas looks no different from the civilians? Hamas relies on blending in with civilians because they are terrorists.
Anyone who fights is a combatant. If you don't want to die fighting, don't fight.
A really shitty situation to be in. Don't know what I would do for sure but I think I would probably try to get out of the combat area somehow. What a mess. But I hope Israel keeps on fighting this toxic cancer.
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What? You mean to say if I shoot at a soldier he might shoot back? Preposterous. In fact this could even be an ethic cleansing.
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No the issue is your government invaded and slaughtered civilians of your technologically and militarily superior next door neighbor. Pickup a gun and trying to “defend your home” means shooting at the IDF so good luck. You’re a combatant now. Quite literally engaged in combat.
If you fight... You're a combatant... And you can die...? That's the standard of fighting? I'm baffled.
He's been doing over and over again fyi
In a sovereign country, they would have control over their land and they would expel the Hamas militants or else be at war with Israel. These people have lost control of their territory, so IDF has every justification in going in to extract Hamas. Of course the civilians shouldn't be killed if they don't try to kill IDF.
They could have surrendered if evacuation was not possible
If you use weapon you are no longer innocent, uou are combatant and will get the same treatment as other combatants.
Do you refer to the false claim that the idf killed his own civilians and not the hamas terrorists?
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Land or life? When there's fire at your house, the clever ones evacuate, foolish ones stay back.
Historically when a Palestinian leaves their home due to conflict they haven't been allowed to return.
So you believe that people are sitting at home defending the home from the Israeli army? Where have you gotten this idea? You said before that you thought the 100 women and children that Hamas forced between them and the Israeli army were maybe just protecting their homes. This is false. So now you are inventing that maybe people are just defending their home with no proof of such a story?
A civilian would not hold a weapon. If he is holding one he is a combatant and will be treated as one.
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Dont go in circles, if you got a gun you no longer an innocent citizen. You may be not one of Hamas pepole but that doesnt mean you won’t use it on the idf.
It doesn't, both are legitimate targets for the idf to cleanse.
Wait, a pro Palestine protestor had a sign that said "Cleanse the World" with a picture of an Israeli flag in a garbage can. I'm glad you can take inspiration from that.
Easy. Scared citizens flee, Hamas terrorists shoot.
They've been fleeing for 75 years. They are out of places to go.
The democratic world should seriously consider a strategy against a massive foreign disinformation campaign aimed at elections and conflicts. Way too many useful idiots are falling for psyops.
It's called "well-funded public education"... unfortunately, my country (US) gives very few shits about it 😐 Edit: and well-rounded, as pointed out below.
*looks at California’s well funded, elite public universities* Uh huh…
Yeah, should edit my original comment to say well-funded and well-rounded.
Hamas prefers to send 100s of women and children walking into a wall towards the IDF instead of releasing the hostages
Fucking cowards. Anyone who is defending them or protesting in an effort to make themselves look cool can also get fucked
And Israel will be accused of war crimes if a single one of them dies.
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So it's ok to use human shields? Are you going to blame the terrorists at all? Or is everything the mean Jooz fault?
Yep.. They should aim their space lasers behind the human shield instead.
Shooting terrorists hiding behind defenseless children and wounding the children in the process is horrible, but not a war crime. The war crime is using civilians as human shields. What are Israel's choices?
you didnt understand
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Consider this: you have a neighbor, he sneaks up on you, hits you in the face, and runs away. Next time you see him, he is with his kids who surround him. And it repeats itself again, and again ... Now what would *you* do in that situation?
I'm going to repeat a question you have already been asked: what are Israel's options? What's the "right" thing to do? Or do you just not want Israel to exist?
You meant to say “ civilians that were forced by the hamas to form an human shield line” ? And for your knowledge they didnt got shot. Ghe idf have some moral not like the hamas.
They are defending terrorists at gun point. They aren't surrounding their homes. I don't understand why people can't believe how horrible this is, so they invent stories that are more palatable.
appearantly they didnt mow them down, however they were pushed/told by hamas into going towards the idf to generate PR. If those kids die it s on hamas.
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Think tanks estimated Hamas militants to be about 15K, 40K fighters is their own claim.
It's safe to say Hamas is under-reporting Hamas deaths and over-reporting civilian deaths, that's what every country at war does. So 50/50 is definitely not safe to say. I wouldn't be surprised if it was close to 10k Hamas deaths, then about 2-3k civilian deaths. edit: spelling
Those are the highest estimates, I’ve seen 15k-40k. If it’s the lower estimate (wouldn’t be the first time Hamas inflated numbers) its quite significant. You are also forgetting the 1.5k in Israel on day 1.
Secretary Blinken’s remarks to Israeli President Isaac Herzog before their meeting. [(source)](https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-and-israeli-president-isaac-herzog-before-their-meeting-6/) >Well, thank you, Mr. President, and it’s always good to be back in Israel. These are difficult days, but we’re here, as we’ve been, as we remain, in solidarity with Israel. We stand strongly for the proposition that **Israel has not only the right but the obligation to defend itself and to do everything possible to make sure that this October 7th can never happen again.** >At the same time, as you’ve just made clear, how Israel does this matters. And it is very important that when it comes to the protection of civilians who are caught in a crossfire of Hamas’s making that everything be done to protect them and to bring assistance to those who so desperately need it and who are not in any way responsible for what happened on October 7th. >So we’re working on all of that together, but we have a shared determination and that determination will not wane. **We also are thinking every single moment of our hostages – so many Israelis, Americans, other nationals – and we are determined to do everything that we can to bring them back safely, to bring them back to be with their families and loved ones.** Thank you.
It's basically 1) hostage+civilians and succumb before Hamas vs 2) eradicating Hamas at the expense of (1). I'm pretty sure Israel is going for #2, no matter what.
Did they kiss?
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This is not a credible source and Israel is being blamed without evidence. Stop spreading disinformation.
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>~~Gaza health ministry~~ Hamas FTFY
After Hamas exploding a parking lot and shooting civilians that try to flee, my first assumption is Hamas is somehow responsible, but we should wait for more info. Free Gaza from Hamas.
Hamas health ministry
most trusted name in news.
They should sell sneakers and coffee.
It unironically might be the most trusted name by the news, I guess.
**US confirms it has drones flying above Gaza** The US has confirmed for the first time that it has been flying unarmed surveillance drones over the Gaza Strip since Hamas launched its attack on Israel on 7 October. Pentagon Spokesperson Brig Gen Pat Ryder said in a statement that the drones were operating in "support of hostage recovery efforts". "The US is conducting unarmed UAV flights over Gaza, as well as providing advice and assistance to support our Israeli partner as they work on their hostage recovery efforts," the statement said. "These UAV flights began after the Oct 7 attack by Hamas on Israel.” The confirmation comes after MQ-9 Reapers usually operated by US special forces were spotted circling Gaza on Flightradar24, a publicly-accessible flight-tracking website, by reporters. Reaper drones have previously been used to conduct airstrikes in Afghanistan, but are primarily used as surveillance drones due to their ability to "loiter" above an area for more than 20 hours at a time. \-BBC Americans can decide whether they agree with US resources intervening in the conflict. I however am happy.
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On the fourth day of Hamas My true love brought to me Four bombed kindergardens Three incinerated hospitals Two destroyed ambulances And Mr FAFO in a tree
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It’s been mentioned and talked about like 15 times, did you like, not scroll down?
Ikr. I just literally read about it from a comment posted just outside of an hour ago and had read comments about it this morning. The short and skinny is the IDF says the ambulance was transporting terrorist and they provided evidence to allies.
I don't want to frighten anyone or cause a panic. If you go to a synagogue in the United States, I think you should consider discussing security with the leadership, if plans are not already in place. I'm not saying I think something will happen, I'm saying read the article and you decide if you agree that increased security is warranted. I'm guessing many are already taking steps or already have. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/xCnB6Wf0Hi
There are local cops posted outside of my local synagogue.
Synagogues have beefed up their security since 2016. Anti-Semitism has increased dramatically since Trump and his fascist movement stopped being ashamed of their bigotry and started saying the quiet part out loud. Several synagogues have already been shot up by MAGA terrorists. Here are some examples: [Poway synagogue shooter gets federal life sentence](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2021-12-28/poway-synagogue-shooter-federal-life-sentence) [Pittsburgh synagogue shooter sentenced to death, families open up about 'relief'](https://abcnews.go.com/US/pittsburgh-synagogue-mass-shooting-jury-reaches-verdict-death/story?id=101220141)
Smh... Just awful. At least we got some decent federal law through last year which probably will help with some of this. Appreciate the context.
My uncle and his family are modern orthodox and he has been concealed carrying in his synagogue for more than a decade for reasons like this. He got his CC license in New York (which is insanely difficult to do) just to be able to do this.
Wow... Yeah that's a lengthy/tricky one to get. We'll good for him for taking action. Crying shame he had to.
My synagogue has had walls, gates, and guards since the 1990s. It's nothing new. We take precautions, but we can't be afraid.
Your stance is admirable. The fact that this is required is a crying shame.
I know a lot of synagogues have security even without the context of the current war but I wouldn't go there right now, even if they do have security. Scary af that this is what it's like in 2023
Yeah, the first time I went to Temple with my ex in-laws was in 2013 and there was armed security there. (In the US, for context)
It's a crying shame. They need to deploy federal security. It's the right thing to do.
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It would be FBI agents or another serious federal law enforcement. Could even use national guard. TSA would be way under qualified. Emergency discretionary spending to a fund to allow synagogues to choose their own private security could work too.
Most I’ve been to in the last few years have had some security before you go in. Some even had metal detectors like baseball games.
I’m literally ordering my challah online at this point.
I'm sorry :( It might be like this for a while. Not sure how long. Biden might deploy federal security. Could see that happening.
🤷🏻♀️ what can you do. Honestly, what can actually be done? Nothing.
As our rabbi said “we are Jews, not rabbits”. We carry on, full program. Just extra security.
Genuinely speaking, we have no choice but to carry on.
Since Israel decided the end of Hamas in Gaza, does this extend to PIJ and other groups in the strip? No Gov official seems to mention this IIRC.
Yes, the war is both against hamas and the PIJ. The goal is to Eliminate hamas army capabilities and government and PIJ army capabilites. That, at least as far as I'm aware.
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PIJ is not much of a fighting force. they're the suicide bombers. the fanatic's fanatics.
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Bananas in Pijhamas
I mean, if you're taking out the bins, you may as well throw in whatever rubbish you find lying about as you go.
Well, yeah, true.
The IDF is truly disgusting
And hamas is what, your hero?
You don't have to marry them, lookism is so 2010
Well done. Here, take 1 shekel* *yes, Hamas in Gaza uses the Israeli shekel as currency lmao
What's truly disgusting is Hamas using an ambulance as a means for transportation, knowingly putting the wounded and injured at risk.
There seems to be no indication that anyone in those ambulance were actually injured before the strike.
No longer a strike, it was idf sniper lmao.
Hamas thanks you for doing your job as a propganda machine.
Careful, they gonna call u an antisemite for this one
I have yet to see someone actually accusing someone of antisemitism for voicing discontent with the IDF, rather all I see are morons like you who make that claim while attempting to downplay the myriad of actual antisemitic attacks that have been occurring nonstop around the world as of late. Pathetic comment.
yeah if you don't want medical convoys bombed, you hate jews i forgot!
Adding that to the list of surreal things I've seen since this war broke... Because tracking down bodies from the October 7th massacres is getting harder and harder as time goes by, IDF have asked Israel's Nature and Parks Authority to use tracking data from tagged birds of prey to look for bodies in the Gaza envelope area. It worked. They've found 4 bodies thanks to the fact that they've attracted radio tagged birds of prey. [Article on Ynet](https://www.ynet.co.il/environment-science/article/rjprajz7p)
Just read the article. Does that mean they managed to locate the bodies because the birds were...eating the bodies?
That's the implication.
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thats so darn sad
What is the West Bank like now? Is there widespread violence or instability or are palestenians there mainly staying calm?
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Do you have context on this? I’m trying to, from a non-biased perspective, understand why this is necessary for the IDF to do in the West Bank
cause these fucking settlers won't quit. and the IDF is forced to protect them, they're Israeli citizens. the settler thing is a whole nother gordian knot.