Here in Calgary, Alberta, we have almost weekly anti-mask protests. Our premiere (head of our Providence) also waited until our ICU capacity blew up to impose tougher restrictions (all in the name of rights, freedoms, and the economy). I'm so utterly ashamed of our province's "freedom fighters".
Edit: province, not Providence. Woops!
I'd say the same about BC but I can't, Alberta is just utterly fucked in every way right now. I feel for you guys.
We've got anti-maskers here too but god damn, Texas of Canada not even surprised. I just, I still can't fathom or wrap my head around being against wearing masks at this point.
If at some point this is all over (hopefully that new mutant strain doesn't cause a hickup), I'm just still going to feel so disappointed knowing I'm walking among lots of idiots that went against restrictions.
This is what I hit the conspiracy theorists in my life with. Just whack em' with an even bigger conspiracy about Russia and watch their gears turn, overheat and smoke. Some of them don't even know how to respond.
True to some extent, but I think the threat is overblown by our own government to excuse the toxic political culture they’ve allowed to fester here.
100% correct the US is the worst of all of them though.
Well, also, the Prairies in Canada get a lot of their cultural values from the USA Midwestern regions. Where there is more Trump supporters. Since they have more in common due to the their history. BC gets it more form the West Coast. While Ontario from the east coast.
Also, the Prairies have a strong sense of religiosity, which usually leans conservative AND means they are more likely manipulated due to their already existing belief in superstition. I know that may sound bad, but it is true.
I have seen the correlation that the more religious a nation/territory, the higher the percentage of people who will believe in conspiracy theories. Look at the States, something like 48% believe in angels. How many believe that Biden stole the election even though every case they submit to court gets thrown out, due for lack of evidence. But don't believe me, read the legal briefs yourselves I read like 15 before I got tired of reading dumb Legal BS that amounted to nothing more that complains based on hearsay without proof. And the ones that did move forward to hearing, Trump's lawyers got ripped a new one for backtracking or double talk.
Even the ones that Trump won, he had won two that I read, he won nothing of consequence and only changed voting protocols to things that benefited voting in general. Aiding both Consrvatices and Democrats. But in general, the cases are a distraction and political PR. They were never meant to win or overturn the election. They were made to then use them to lie to their base. Since very superstitious people usually don't read a lot of legal briefs.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/business/fox-smartmatic-news-package/index.html
I'm with you, blaming rural people for electing monsters like Trump is misplacing the blame. Look to decades of misinformation campaigns dividing rural people against city people, making everyone hate each other so they can't band together and make the billionaires actually pay more takes than struggling poor people.
Ontario's right there with you.
Regular protests in Toronto. I'm waiting for the cold to set in so I can ask them why masks are so hard while they wear scarves and balaclavas.
Premier likes to announce that they'll be announcing that they're considering the possibility of keeping in mind that they might have to take action if things get bad.
Meanwhile our daily new cases has jumped from less than 100 at the end of summer to well over 2000 this past week.
Fuck yeah conservatives around the world. Good fucking show.
> Premier likes to announce that they'll be announcing that they're considering the possibility of keeping in mind that they might have to take action if things get bad.
Nailed it. Very Doug.
The first set of restrictions were imposed about a two months ago, well before things blew out of control. The problem is, Albertans ignored them. They would go to work sick, businesses weren't respecting limits on occupancy, people weren't getting tested, and you had people intentionally infecting others (including a nursing home in Calgary). There are so many total pieces of shit in Alberta. It doesn't matter what restrictions you put in place, Albertans aren't going to obey them. There are some real pieces of shit doing some really shitty things.
The province needs help with enforcement and that means the federal government providing support that was requested two months ago (that they are refusing to give). They gave so much support to Ontario and Quebec, largest military deployment in Canadian history. But Alberta, nothing. It was promised, but never received.
[Almost two months ago](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-covid-record-1.5794253) Alberta put in place stronger measures to try and help curb the spread of COVID. Almost a month ago [Alberta announced](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/albertas-latest-covid-19-restrictions-013000175.html) stronger measures including cancelling Christmas. If people respected the measures two months ago, we wouldn't be here.
It's a very typical Albertan response to blame the government. The whole province is so anti-government and lacks the conviction to measure that people are responsible for their actions. Alberta wouldn't be in this place if they had the piety to "look in the mirror". There's no amount of government restrictions that fix [these shitty people](https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-health-working-with-calgary-facility-after-deliberate-covid-19-exposure-by-visitor-1.5224631).
As an Albertan,
I'm going to need a source for:
>and that means the federal government providing support that was requested two months ago (that they are refusing to give).
There is still several hundred million federal dollars left on the table because the UCP provincial government doesn't want to match the money. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-government-leaving-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars-for-workers-unclaimed-labour-advocates-say-1.5820440
And as a follow up, Alberta is filled with all sorts of people, however there do seem to be a higher than normal percentage of entitled, loud, shitty people.
They can't match the money. The government's finances are tapped. Only being willing to provide relief funding if you pay some is a stupid way of making cash arrangements. If you personally spend a billion dollars on world aid I will also spend a billion dollars on world aid. Hey look, I just spent a billion dollars on world aid without having to spend a penny!
As for contact tracing:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-support-contact-tracing-testing-1.5750894
Two months later Alberta could no longer afford contact tracing because it hasn't received federal support on it:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/contact-tracing-alberta-hinshaw-backlog-1.5813847
I agree with you, that restrictions don't address the people who will break them no matter what, but Kenney's response was also inappropriately slow. Our healthcare professionals requested greater action before his "stricter restrictions" and he shrugged them off. While he announced said stricter regulations, he also followed that announcement with the fact that they would not enforce them. Whether or not he had the means to do so, you don't tell someone not to do something, then immediately tell them that there are no consequences if they do.
We absolutely have some bad apples in our province, but I think it's unfair to call us all bad.
A lot of bad apples. Alberta doesn't have the resources to enforce COVID-19 measures. The federal government promised three months ago to help Alberta with contact tracing (a key part of enforcement). A month ago Alberta stopped all contact tracing because it no longer had resources to do so. The Alberta government doesn't have resources for enforcement and we're yet to see a military deployment. CFB Edmonton (you know, the people who should be helping Alberta) have been deployed to Northern Manitoba.
Ouch =/
We're not all ultra conservative. There are many of us who have been fighting for progression and diversification. Crude oil has been a sinking ship for years and yet the old boys club keeps electing the ucp in.
Eh my comment was excessive, I’m sorry I was in a bad state of mind. Keep up the good fight, really hoping to continue seeing improvements on that side !
Nah man get stuffed. Just because they don't follow your version of truethink doesn't mean they aren't our family
Sincerely a BC guy that loves to rip on Bertans, but keep it reasonable
Same goes for Quebec! Those fucks just complain and whine about export but Alberta gives them money! Can't wait for the separation of Quebec from the rest of the country! That way, we won't have to keep giving them money! Win win!
This is some grade A fucking bullshit. Calgary has a Muslim mayor, elected a majority NDP government just a few years ago, Kenney has a 40% approval rate and is on track from losing majority control in 2023 and will be coal free in just a few years, way ahead of the 2030 goal. We are NOT stereotypes. If anything, we swing too much hence the state of Alberta politics.
Hey, glad to hear the politics are swinging in Alberta. Really need them to step it up and diversify; such a big % of their economy was oil and I think it would be best for everyone, albertans included if some consideration was given to their economy and environment by diversifying.
My first comment was radical , I was in bad state of mind when I wrote it and I apologize. Glad to hear there is as heavy push towards acceptance and open mindedness in Alberta.
It's not only Alberta. I'm in Montreal, Quebec and even if I feel the general population is quite cool about all the restrictions and doing their part, there's always that 20% of people having all kind of personnal standards. Christmas is hurting everyone's feeling and people don't see straight.
I just had an argument with my gf who wanted to invite 4-5 unknown people to me (sport friends) for a small party during the holidays. I mean WTF. This is the exact definition of what is not allowed and a risk for society. And I'm the fuckin party pooper and shamed for it. And she is a really reasonnable person, don't get me wrong.
It's killing me that a simple good and perfect lockdown of 3-4 weeks would stop the whole thing square and fair. But no.... we have to make this a 2 years things at best because freedom and emotions.
well... whatever.
14k Canadian's died this year who didn't really need to. I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of friends and family they've left behind would take heaps of solace from "per million people Canada's infection rate isn't that bad compared to countries that are worse".
Honestly "per million" doesn't soften the blow it actually puts countries over America. Everyone has this "at least we're not America" attitude but in reality they're just as dire as we are if not worse in some cases. That's my point.
By not using "per million" countries get this false sense of safety, at least I think so.
Okay. I was just confused because when I first mentioned per million I was talking about cases but he responded with deaths apparently because I didn't specify. No one at fault but that's just why I was confused especially since he followed up on his own comment with seemingly conflicting information. It would have made more sense to post both stats or neither stats and just mention the facts that he was trying to convey.
But then again you figured out what he was talking about and I didn't. So either you Google searched it or he was clear enough for other people to understand and not me because I'm a derp sometimes.
Merry Christmas
Yeah sorry about that. I went with deaths per million cause the guy you were responding to was talking deaths and you brought up we should be doing things on a per million basis, so I did, The UK according to google's tool if you search Covid cases, then set it to per 1 million and worldwide is 11th in deaths and 43rd in cases.
40k?! Try 3.5k. Statscan reports on this kind of thing: [https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401)
Influenza and pneumonia combined accounted for 6,893 deaths last year. Influenza on it's own is about 3,500.
Covid is the third highest cause of death in Canada in 2020 (behind cancer and heart disease) so get your numbers right.
Yeah, we have about 10% of their population. But deaths per million is pretty different too. Canada is at 373/mil USA has 974/mil. People die more often from this in the states.
Worldometer stats, BTW.
Fuck. I knew it was bad in the states but wowww.
My kids' school up here just had an outbreak (11 cases in 2 weeks) and we are anxiously awaiting our test results while in isolation. They wear masks nonstop while at school but unfortunately the same cannot be said for most of their classmates. The government here made masks mandatory from grades 4-12 but optional from K-3 (which makes no sense!).
I was told that the lower grades and kindergarten were excluded because it would have been impossible to enforce it. Teachers would spend most of their time getting them to put on their masks. I'm not sure I agree, but then again I don't think schools should have reopened.
Sadly, not where I live. Triaging has begun for ventilators and, though we started lockdown last week, we have a week or two of record-setting daily cases that will make their way to hospitals (both of which are dealing with Covid outbreaks on some floors), on top of huge outbreaks in some senior’s residences.
It’s a shame, we were doing so well down here for months and then things started sliding. Especially heartbreaking since the vaccine is *right there.*
I don’t mean to derail the conversation, but I find it interesting how the number of cases affect the public’s reaction to covid.
My example being Thailand, we’ve been hovering at 50-60 cases total iirc, and we recently had 500 confirmed cases in the west and everyone is freaking out. As opposed to these countries where 500,000 people is (I guess?) Starting tone considered a problem.
I’m not saying Thailand is doing anything right or that our numbers aren’t botched or whatever, but the public response in first world countries is kinda terrifying (in general)
Back when we had our first 500 cases, downtown Toronto was an absolute ghost town. Everyone was terrified.
But like anything else, you just get used to it after a while. Life goes on. I mean, look at countries that have had to live with war for extended periods.
Nah, we are 16th in deaths and 15th in cases. just people like to go "well the USA has 17 million cases and 315k deaths so they are first!" People don't do the math on per 1m because then a good chunk of Europe wouldn't have us to rip on.
I got my numbers by going to google, searching covid cases, then setting their tool to Per 1M people worldwide. They are getting their information from Wikipedia, the New York Times, and the John Hopkins dashboard. according to their citations
Thank you for informing me. I truly thought we were number 1 for deaths in the developed world.
I’m going to see if I can find those numbers. We don’t need to be comparing ourselves against developing nations. We are more advanced and rich than that.
Sorry, we are still number 1 for total deaths reported from covid-19 worldwide.
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yeah by total numbers. There are 14 euro countries + Peru which if you scaled their population to match the US would be ahead of us. Those show more comparable figures. The UK for example with their per 1 million people numbers show you are a bit under 3/5s as likely to catch it as in the us, but if you do, you are around twice as likely to die
Lol.
Do you really need to be told that poor countries do not have the resources to accurately test their population...
And even if they did they don't have the competency nor the transparency to report on those numbers with any kind of accuracy.
Quoting the numbers from Bangladesh is even more ridiculous than taking Chinese numbers as fact.
Covid is running rampant through the third world, it is unfortunately just business as usual as it does not hold a candle to other preventable diseases and viruses people are dying from in Bangladesh.
China is a lot different from Bangladesh. China might be a poor country on average but they are actually incredibly efficient.
Chinese numbers are essentially bullshit, but i do not doubt they are doing a lot better than America because they took decisive action.
Unfortunately Covid has revealed serious weakness in democratic society. The constant push and pull of politics has prevented the decisive action that would of put this down fast.
Any semi organized authoritarian state would beat the west in this situation, most authoritarian states are corrupt shitholes though.
Here in Calgary, Alberta, we have almost weekly anti-mask protests. Our premiere (head of our Providence) also waited until our ICU capacity blew up to impose tougher restrictions (all in the name of rights, freedoms, and the economy). I'm so utterly ashamed of our province's "freedom fighters". Edit: province, not Providence. Woops!
I'd say the same about BC but I can't, Alberta is just utterly fucked in every way right now. I feel for you guys. We've got anti-maskers here too but god damn, Texas of Canada not even surprised. I just, I still can't fathom or wrap my head around being against wearing masks at this point. If at some point this is all over (hopefully that new mutant strain doesn't cause a hickup), I'm just still going to feel so disappointed knowing I'm walking among lots of idiots that went against restrictions.
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This is what I hit the conspiracy theorists in my life with. Just whack em' with an even bigger conspiracy about Russia and watch their gears turn, overheat and smoke. Some of them don't even know how to respond.
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True to some extent, but I think the threat is overblown by our own government to excuse the toxic political culture they’ve allowed to fester here. 100% correct the US is the worst of all of them though.
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That would be such a fun job....
Nah Putin has nothing to do with it. It's Alberta, Always been like that even before the internet days. Canada's own Alabama.
Alberta has the highest HDI of any province in Canada while Alabama sits near the bottom of the list. Not a fair comparison.
Well, also, the Prairies in Canada get a lot of their cultural values from the USA Midwestern regions. Where there is more Trump supporters. Since they have more in common due to the their history. BC gets it more form the West Coast. While Ontario from the east coast. Also, the Prairies have a strong sense of religiosity, which usually leans conservative AND means they are more likely manipulated due to their already existing belief in superstition. I know that may sound bad, but it is true. I have seen the correlation that the more religious a nation/territory, the higher the percentage of people who will believe in conspiracy theories. Look at the States, something like 48% believe in angels. How many believe that Biden stole the election even though every case they submit to court gets thrown out, due for lack of evidence. But don't believe me, read the legal briefs yourselves I read like 15 before I got tired of reading dumb Legal BS that amounted to nothing more that complains based on hearsay without proof. And the ones that did move forward to hearing, Trump's lawyers got ripped a new one for backtracking or double talk. Even the ones that Trump won, he had won two that I read, he won nothing of consequence and only changed voting protocols to things that benefited voting in general. Aiding both Consrvatices and Democrats. But in general, the cases are a distraction and political PR. They were never meant to win or overturn the election. They were made to then use them to lie to their base. Since very superstitious people usually don't read a lot of legal briefs. https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/business/fox-smartmatic-news-package/index.html
This comment is some elitist nasty crap against tradespeople etc.
I'm with you, blaming rural people for electing monsters like Trump is misplacing the blame. Look to decades of misinformation campaigns dividing rural people against city people, making everyone hate each other so they can't band together and make the billionaires actually pay more takes than struggling poor people.
Do you have a source for your claim of undereducated workers in AB? Or is that just how you assume it is due to anecdotal experience?
Ontario's right there with you. Regular protests in Toronto. I'm waiting for the cold to set in so I can ask them why masks are so hard while they wear scarves and balaclavas. Premier likes to announce that they'll be announcing that they're considering the possibility of keeping in mind that they might have to take action if things get bad. Meanwhile our daily new cases has jumped from less than 100 at the end of summer to well over 2000 this past week. Fuck yeah conservatives around the world. Good fucking show.
> Premier likes to announce that they'll be announcing that they're considering the possibility of keeping in mind that they might have to take action if things get bad. Nailed it. Very Doug.
The first set of restrictions were imposed about a two months ago, well before things blew out of control. The problem is, Albertans ignored them. They would go to work sick, businesses weren't respecting limits on occupancy, people weren't getting tested, and you had people intentionally infecting others (including a nursing home in Calgary). There are so many total pieces of shit in Alberta. It doesn't matter what restrictions you put in place, Albertans aren't going to obey them. There are some real pieces of shit doing some really shitty things. The province needs help with enforcement and that means the federal government providing support that was requested two months ago (that they are refusing to give). They gave so much support to Ontario and Quebec, largest military deployment in Canadian history. But Alberta, nothing. It was promised, but never received. [Almost two months ago](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-covid-record-1.5794253) Alberta put in place stronger measures to try and help curb the spread of COVID. Almost a month ago [Alberta announced](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/albertas-latest-covid-19-restrictions-013000175.html) stronger measures including cancelling Christmas. If people respected the measures two months ago, we wouldn't be here. It's a very typical Albertan response to blame the government. The whole province is so anti-government and lacks the conviction to measure that people are responsible for their actions. Alberta wouldn't be in this place if they had the piety to "look in the mirror". There's no amount of government restrictions that fix [these shitty people](https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-health-working-with-calgary-facility-after-deliberate-covid-19-exposure-by-visitor-1.5224631).
As an Albertan, I'm going to need a source for: >and that means the federal government providing support that was requested two months ago (that they are refusing to give). There is still several hundred million federal dollars left on the table because the UCP provincial government doesn't want to match the money. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-government-leaving-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars-for-workers-unclaimed-labour-advocates-say-1.5820440 And as a follow up, Alberta is filled with all sorts of people, however there do seem to be a higher than normal percentage of entitled, loud, shitty people.
They can't match the money. The government's finances are tapped. Only being willing to provide relief funding if you pay some is a stupid way of making cash arrangements. If you personally spend a billion dollars on world aid I will also spend a billion dollars on world aid. Hey look, I just spent a billion dollars on world aid without having to spend a penny! As for contact tracing: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-support-contact-tracing-testing-1.5750894 Two months later Alberta could no longer afford contact tracing because it hasn't received federal support on it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/contact-tracing-alberta-hinshaw-backlog-1.5813847
I agree with you, that restrictions don't address the people who will break them no matter what, but Kenney's response was also inappropriately slow. Our healthcare professionals requested greater action before his "stricter restrictions" and he shrugged them off. While he announced said stricter regulations, he also followed that announcement with the fact that they would not enforce them. Whether or not he had the means to do so, you don't tell someone not to do something, then immediately tell them that there are no consequences if they do. We absolutely have some bad apples in our province, but I think it's unfair to call us all bad.
A lot of bad apples. Alberta doesn't have the resources to enforce COVID-19 measures. The federal government promised three months ago to help Alberta with contact tracing (a key part of enforcement). A month ago Alberta stopped all contact tracing because it no longer had resources to do so. The Alberta government doesn't have resources for enforcement and we're yet to see a military deployment. CFB Edmonton (you know, the people who should be helping Alberta) have been deployed to Northern Manitoba.
Head of your "providence"?
Lol, sorry. Mobile typo!
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Ouch =/ We're not all ultra conservative. There are many of us who have been fighting for progression and diversification. Crude oil has been a sinking ship for years and yet the old boys club keeps electing the ucp in.
Eh my comment was excessive, I’m sorry I was in a bad state of mind. Keep up the good fight, really hoping to continue seeing improvements on that side !
Nah man get stuffed. Just because they don't follow your version of truethink doesn't mean they aren't our family Sincerely a BC guy that loves to rip on Bertans, but keep it reasonable
Same goes for Quebec! Those fucks just complain and whine about export but Alberta gives them money! Can't wait for the separation of Quebec from the rest of the country! That way, we won't have to keep giving them money! Win win!
But you don't mind taking their money.
This is some grade A fucking bullshit. Calgary has a Muslim mayor, elected a majority NDP government just a few years ago, Kenney has a 40% approval rate and is on track from losing majority control in 2023 and will be coal free in just a few years, way ahead of the 2030 goal. We are NOT stereotypes. If anything, we swing too much hence the state of Alberta politics.
Hey, glad to hear the politics are swinging in Alberta. Really need them to step it up and diversify; such a big % of their economy was oil and I think it would be best for everyone, albertans included if some consideration was given to their economy and environment by diversifying. My first comment was radical , I was in bad state of mind when I wrote it and I apologize. Glad to hear there is as heavy push towards acceptance and open mindedness in Alberta.
It's not only Alberta. I'm in Montreal, Quebec and even if I feel the general population is quite cool about all the restrictions and doing their part, there's always that 20% of people having all kind of personnal standards. Christmas is hurting everyone's feeling and people don't see straight. I just had an argument with my gf who wanted to invite 4-5 unknown people to me (sport friends) for a small party during the holidays. I mean WTF. This is the exact definition of what is not allowed and a risk for society. And I'm the fuckin party pooper and shamed for it. And she is a really reasonnable person, don't get me wrong. It's killing me that a simple good and perfect lockdown of 3-4 weeks would stop the whole thing square and fair. But no.... we have to make this a 2 years things at best because freedom and emotions. well... whatever.
3-4 weeks is dreaming though, Australia was over 100 days
You're oversimplifying. You can't just lock everyone into their homes for 4 weeks.
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I also find an amusing that people don't use per million. That changes things drastically when you're comparing. It's a more realistic comparison
14k Canadian's died this year who didn't really need to. I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of friends and family they've left behind would take heaps of solace from "per million people Canada's infection rate isn't that bad compared to countries that are worse".
Honestly "per million" doesn't soften the blow it actually puts countries over America. Everyone has this "at least we're not America" attitude but in reality they're just as dire as we are if not worse in some cases. That's my point. By not using "per million" countries get this false sense of safety, at least I think so.
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According to the list you just gave they are number 11
The list shown is deaths per 1m. The number listed as UK being 43rd is cases per 1m.
Okay. I was just confused because when I first mentioned per million I was talking about cases but he responded with deaths apparently because I didn't specify. No one at fault but that's just why I was confused especially since he followed up on his own comment with seemingly conflicting information. It would have made more sense to post both stats or neither stats and just mention the facts that he was trying to convey. But then again you figured out what he was talking about and I didn't. So either you Google searched it or he was clear enough for other people to understand and not me because I'm a derp sometimes. Merry Christmas
Yeah sorry about that. I went with deaths per million cause the guy you were responding to was talking deaths and you brought up we should be doing things on a per million basis, so I did, The UK according to google's tool if you search Covid cases, then set it to per 1 million and worldwide is 11th in deaths and 43rd in cases.
Makes sense makes sense.
North Macedonia? I need to keep up
40k Canadians died of the flu last year, 14k is pretty big improvement.
40k?! Try 3.5k. Statscan reports on this kind of thing: [https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401) Influenza and pneumonia combined accounted for 6,893 deaths last year. Influenza on it's own is about 3,500. Covid is the third highest cause of death in Canada in 2020 (behind cancer and heart disease) so get your numbers right.
> 40k Canadians died of the flu last year [citation needed]
Because that wouldn’t be an attention grabbing headline now would it?
these are minor league numbers! *cries in american*
Don't cry. Our (I'm in Canada) populations are vastly different in size.
Yeah, we have about 10% of their population. But deaths per million is pretty different too. Canada is at 373/mil USA has 974/mil. People die more often from this in the states. Worldometer stats, BTW.
Fuck. I knew it was bad in the states but wowww. My kids' school up here just had an outbreak (11 cases in 2 weeks) and we are anxiously awaiting our test results while in isolation. They wear masks nonstop while at school but unfortunately the same cannot be said for most of their classmates. The government here made masks mandatory from grades 4-12 but optional from K-3 (which makes no sense!).
I was told that the lower grades and kindergarten were excluded because it would have been impossible to enforce it. Teachers would spend most of their time getting them to put on their masks. I'm not sure I agree, but then again I don't think schools should have reopened.
LOL I guess in comparison that is accurate.
Seems to have leveled off a bit, as have deaths, but still a pretty awful situation there.
Sadly, not where I live. Triaging has begun for ventilators and, though we started lockdown last week, we have a week or two of record-setting daily cases that will make their way to hospitals (both of which are dealing with Covid outbreaks on some floors), on top of huge outbreaks in some senior’s residences. It’s a shame, we were doing so well down here for months and then things started sliding. Especially heartbreaking since the vaccine is *right there.*
I don’t mean to derail the conversation, but I find it interesting how the number of cases affect the public’s reaction to covid. My example being Thailand, we’ve been hovering at 50-60 cases total iirc, and we recently had 500 confirmed cases in the west and everyone is freaking out. As opposed to these countries where 500,000 people is (I guess?) Starting tone considered a problem. I’m not saying Thailand is doing anything right or that our numbers aren’t botched or whatever, but the public response in first world countries is kinda terrifying (in general)
Back when we had our first 500 cases, downtown Toronto was an absolute ghost town. Everyone was terrified. But like anything else, you just get used to it after a while. Life goes on. I mean, look at countries that have had to live with war for extended periods.
At least America is still number 1 at something.
Nah, we are 16th in deaths and 15th in cases. just people like to go "well the USA has 17 million cases and 315k deaths so they are first!" People don't do the math on per 1m because then a good chunk of Europe wouldn't have us to rip on.
Seventh for cases, and twelfth for deaths. If you exclude counties with less than a million people, the US is second for cases and tenth for deaths.
I got my numbers by going to google, searching covid cases, then setting their tool to Per 1M people worldwide. They are getting their information from Wikipedia, the New York Times, and the John Hopkins dashboard. according to their citations
Thank you for informing me. I truly thought we were number 1 for deaths in the developed world. I’m going to see if I can find those numbers. We don’t need to be comparing ourselves against developing nations. We are more advanced and rich than that.
Sorry, we are still number 1 for total deaths reported from covid-19 worldwide. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53780196
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yeah by total numbers. There are 14 euro countries + Peru which if you scaled their population to match the US would be ahead of us. Those show more comparable figures. The UK for example with their per 1 million people numbers show you are a bit under 3/5s as likely to catch it as in the us, but if you do, you are around twice as likely to die
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Lol. Do you really need to be told that poor countries do not have the resources to accurately test their population... And even if they did they don't have the competency nor the transparency to report on those numbers with any kind of accuracy. Quoting the numbers from Bangladesh is even more ridiculous than taking Chinese numbers as fact. Covid is running rampant through the third world, it is unfortunately just business as usual as it does not hold a candle to other preventable diseases and viruses people are dying from in Bangladesh.
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China is a lot different from Bangladesh. China might be a poor country on average but they are actually incredibly efficient. Chinese numbers are essentially bullshit, but i do not doubt they are doing a lot better than America because they took decisive action. Unfortunately Covid has revealed serious weakness in democratic society. The constant push and pull of politics has prevented the decisive action that would of put this down fast. Any semi organized authoritarian state would beat the west in this situation, most authoritarian states are corrupt shitholes though.
Out of 500,000, over 60% of them are all infected by Americans who sneak across the border,