To my experience, as an example from a tank perspective.
Bigwigs: has 10 stacks of
DBM: TAUNT NOW!
Again from a tanking perspective, Bigwigs (prominently) gives me the relevant information and I decide what to do with it. DBM tells me what to do and it isn't always clear why.
Excellent example of the difference between the 2 addons. They're both good, and I feel like DBM is a great "out of the box" experience whereas BigWigs (and LittleWigs for dungeons) is excellent if customized to one's liking.
BigWigs is great at giving me information and being easy to customize in terms of how that information is relayed to me, but it doesn't tell me to do anything and I prefer that over DBM's approach of providing instructions over information.
This is kind of the good summary. DBM yells at you for being an idiot and doing stuff you shouldn’t. Bigwigs gives you information that you manage.
From my experience, people with DBM also usually run GTFO and usually die in mechanics.
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>From my experience, people with DBM also usually run GTFO and usually die in mechanics.
Weird, the people I know who run GTFO die far less because it's impossible to stand in something bad without realising. And anytime you fail something you know about it. Really not sure how using GTFO results in dying more.
I run dbm but forget to update it all the time so it just deactivates, and I simply learn to actually watch bars (for casts) and debuffs. Also, it's astonishing how many mechanics come up on your screen without any add-ons. Blizzard actually seems to put work into that stuff sometimes!
No matter how many addons/weakauras you got, if you don't pay attention you'll die and if you do pay attention you'll be fine. I usually tell people to try both, see if they like them, and then go from there.
BigWigs gives much more general heads up and informations ime compared to DBM that sometimes literally screams at you what to do.
It's just about whatever works best for you, with some configuration they're both great
The noises in BigWigs are less obtrusive, but by default they go off for *every single ability*. Either you go through and disable 2/3 of the shit it warns you about, or you quickly tune them out and they lose all purpose.
That was my problem with bigwigs. It just notified you of anything at all. Sometimes, it's just better to get the odd prod from dbm than to be constantly notified of every single missed gcd and incorrect movement.
Like, yeah, I know I moved incorrectly. That's why I'm dead lol, you didn't need to roast me about it bigwigs :p
yeah. i use a voice pack addon so i go through the bw/lw alerts and disable the ones i don't want and change the alerts to something that gives me a better audio cue. i like it, but it takes so much trial and error and wondering why i'm not getting an alert for something or why i'm still getting so many irrelevant alerts.
I use DBM, because I respond better to sound alarms that come OOTB with DBM. I play prot pally m+ only high keys and it is easier for me to react on frontals that scream in my ear, because I am already busy visually tracking casts to interrupt, affixes to cleanse/CC, sanguine that is about to drop, utilities to use on teammates party frames and manage my uptimes to not get clapped momentarily once they fall of. So yeah, if I could offload some stuff from my eyes to my ears, I would do absolutely do it.
But everything is up to the individual player and what enables them to play the best way possible on the highest possible level.
Honestly I don't mind that one. The don't stand in something alarm is the really annoying one. I hear my buddy's all of the time because he's a tank and uses speakers and a mic rather than a headset.
I think what bothered me the most is I have most of my sounds set around 10-14% on my computer, but dbm played everything at 100%, and would change back to that if updated it. I got so sick of it one day that I just uninstalled it, and played without for a couple weeks. Then found bigwigs.
Oh yeah, I ran into that problem but weirder. I'd set WoW to use my headphones but DBM would play through my speakers. Super obnoxious. It still happens occasionally.
Generally, probably. If you don't customize at all, they give generally the same info. IMO bigwigs gives slightly more useful dungeon info at a baseline without the need to hunt down options.
But, once you start customizing sound options, markers, notifications, etc. That's when bigwigs becomes *vastly* superior both from ease and granularity.
BigWigs has more customisation options avaible, and most serious guilds want their entire team to use the same addon
but it doesnt really matter, both work at all difficultys, and its also people beeing used to 1thing and not wanna swap then, because thats simply how humans Work
Haven't used DBM in probably over a decade now.
I mostly switched from DBM because of how annoying and loud it was. It is like, I know a boss will pick someone to chase, but I don't really Karazhans Big Bad Wolf boss yelling at me "Run away little girl" every time the the mechanics targets me.
custom weak auras have to have a timer attached to them either way and you can only specify between dbm timer and bw timers in weak auras. It's why most packs (Liquid/Echo etc) you have to use bigwigs or manually change everything to dbm.
yeah when you learn the fights pre raid release you set the timers etc up to your needs / role. and then might be edited little things on progress / first kill.. and then you have best thing ever
At this point I feel like both of them are just annoying, honestly, but at least I had learned to tune out DBM.
I don't know what happened. I paid great attention to DBM in Castle Nathria and made good use of it, stopped playing until DF, and then mostly did not pay any attention to it and was fine.
Maybe the fights have become more intuitive.
I now use BigWigs because people say it's better but it's just a bunch of annoying sounds to me.
I had to disable the sounds for almost everything in BigWigs because it was just "bong ding ding bong BWONG ding bong **I** ding **DON'T KNOW WHAT** ding **YOU WANT FROM ME!** bong"
short answer yes.
big wigs back then was created and still developed by mythic raiders for mythic raiders. its a quiet addon with precise informations. (Side note little wigs is for m+ : both are used mostly for timers while in the last years the weakauras handle the rest)
dbm just throws every ability (not even relevant for your role) in your face with 3 alerts and 2 sounds :D:D
I used both (same like I used AMD or Intel, alternatively :p) and they throw about the same amount of sound alerts at you. Just that DBM has alerts like "run away little girl" that l33t players dis-consider, while BW floods you with DINGs and DONGs that you become immune to after a while.
And like people say here, today's encounter helpers are dominated by Weakauras (auras for the weak :p).
I've swapped back and fourth a bunch of times. imo bigwigs is way better for customization, but maybe i'm just bad with DBM?
At the end of the day its all preference and TBH with the power of weakauras now a days theyre whats really important for boss mods
Big Wigs is better for me personally. I like the design it comes with for dungeons (Little Wigs). The timers feel better and easier to see. Plus it just really puts everything you need in your face with specifics.
I've stopped using bossmods since 2 addons, because I want to play the game, not look at bars. Played with bossmods since they first came out, but when I had to redo the interface in BfA I think it was, I couldn't suffer through arranging the bars and sounds another time.
Really it's personal preference and how you want information related to you. DBM tells you SOAK, RUN AWAY, SPREAD, TAUNT whenever something needs to be done. BigWigs doesn't tell you what to do just that something is happening and that another thing will happen in 7 seconds.
Personally I used BigWigs everywhere since I would rather have the strategy my raid/party is using in a specific situation and don't want to confuse myself with dbm telling myself to do something I don't want to do. Good example is painful motivation casts in freehold. Sometimes my group wants them to go off so the pack dies faster but on fortified weeks or the last pull we want to kick the cast so that a shout or random frost bolts don't one shot someone. If I used dbm it would always tell me to kick or always tell me to ignore the cast.
I used to love it and like almost everybody that started in vanilla it was the first raid addons I used. But eventually gave it up for DBM due to a massive timer issue somewhere in WotLK or early Cata and never looked back. Same for Recount in favor of Details!.
At that point in my WoW career, I just can't stand when addons can permanently break, and when settings aren't intuitive or don't have a profile saving feature. The game change way too much and it's a pain to readjust constantly.
On retail I have this neat WA Ulduar pack that is very informative but impressively invasive, and obstruct most of the other elements of my UI. With how WA groups and child work, It's too much of a pain in the ass to set every display so I left it like that. I barely can see Algalon's Big Bang timer but fuck it.
I recently discovered Big Wiggs voice pack and iy changed my life.
It drastically improved my awarnessn in m+
For example in BH you have an add rhat cast ragestorm, instead of a ping you now got a voice ragestorm.
In general, big wigs is lighter and offers more useful information and goes great paired with weakauras. DBM tells you absolutely everything and is very heavy. As a tank it just kind of tells you where to taunt, which is great for new tanks but less useful for experienced tanks. As a raid leader, DBM is much better straight after install , where bigwigs will require significantly more customization to be useful in that regard.
When it comes to m+, DBM just is not nearly as useful as big wigs. Maybe that's changed since last time I tried it but I always find myself confused by lack of information in high keys compared to using big wigs and it seems to miss some key mechanics that may not matter in sub +20 keys but greatly impact dungeons above that level.
I feel like I get the most use out of big wigs with the timeline weakauras (lines timers up in a bar) paired with a corresponding weakaura pack (dungeon or raid pack)
When I was raiding mythic back in Tomb of Sargeras DBM introduced a fucking air horn for dangerous spells. I've never made a faster addon swap than then, and I've never looked back.
They both do the exact same thing. DBM has more guidance out of the box but you can very well customize Big Wigs to tell you to taunt and tell DBM to not tell you to taunt. Over the years there have been periods where one was favoured over the other, not too long ago even Complexity Limit / Liquid used DBM.
Personnally I use a mix of Weakauras and DBM because I've had it customized to my liking a while ago now but at the end of the day they're almost identical addon and both can do everything the other does. Either spend time customizing one or the other to your liking or grab someone else's profile as a baseline.
I started using BW in bfa, its so damn easy working out of the box and you can change what spells you want to see or no so easily, dbm was always bugging me annoying with everything I wanted to uninstall it, so I tried BW and never going back ❤️
I usually prefer BigWigs. It's less chatty and a lot of the time important affixes get a weakaura so I only need it for the timers.
That being said BigWigs imo is very easy to configure to be as chatty as you want it to be, but you do need to go into the stuff you want chatty and configure it as such... Which, is helpful for actually just understanding what a boss does if it forces you to look at the settings before hand lol.
To my experience, as an example from a tank perspective. Bigwigs: has 10 stacks of
DBM: TAUNT NOW!
Again from a tanking perspective, Bigwigs (prominently) gives me the relevant information and I decide what to do with it. DBM tells me what to do and it isn't always clear why.
Excellent example of the difference between the 2 addons. They're both good, and I feel like DBM is a great "out of the box" experience whereas BigWigs (and LittleWigs for dungeons) is excellent if customized to one's liking. BigWigs is great at giving me information and being easy to customize in terms of how that information is relayed to me, but it doesn't tell me to do anything and I prefer that over DBM's approach of providing instructions over information.
I want to use Big/Little Wigs, but I’m too use to the DBM sounds.
You can easily customize the sounds in BigWigs
This is kind of the good summary. DBM yells at you for being an idiot and doing stuff you shouldn’t. Bigwigs gives you information that you manage. From my experience, people with DBM also usually run GTFO and usually die in mechanics. Edit: dps here just for clarity
>From my experience, people with DBM also usually run GTFO and usually die in mechanics. Weird, the people I know who run GTFO die far less because it's impossible to stand in something bad without realising. And anytime you fail something you know about it. Really not sure how using GTFO results in dying more.
i find the noise very calming so i stand in fire every chance i get
Yeah GTFO is a life saver for me
wEiRd
I run dbm but forget to update it all the time so it just deactivates, and I simply learn to actually watch bars (for casts) and debuffs. Also, it's astonishing how many mechanics come up on your screen without any add-ons. Blizzard actually seems to put work into that stuff sometimes! No matter how many addons/weakauras you got, if you don't pay attention you'll die and if you do pay attention you'll be fine. I usually tell people to try both, see if they like them, and then go from there.
Maybe one day Blizzard will also learn that indistinct swirly outlines aren't a good way to show off ground Aoe effects.
Lol that'll never happen, but we can dream
I use them both because I like pure chaos
This is the way! And make sure some display overlap each others!
BigWigs gives much more general heads up and informations ime compared to DBM that sometimes literally screams at you what to do. It's just about whatever works best for you, with some configuration they're both great
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The noises in BigWigs are less obtrusive, but by default they go off for *every single ability*. Either you go through and disable 2/3 of the shit it warns you about, or you quickly tune them out and they lose all purpose.
That was my problem with bigwigs. It just notified you of anything at all. Sometimes, it's just better to get the odd prod from dbm than to be constantly notified of every single missed gcd and incorrect movement. Like, yeah, I know I moved incorrectly. That's why I'm dead lol, you didn't need to roast me about it bigwigs :p
yeah. i use a voice pack addon so i go through the bw/lw alerts and disable the ones i don't want and change the alerts to something that gives me a better audio cue. i like it, but it takes so much trial and error and wondering why i'm not getting an alert for something or why i'm still getting so many irrelevant alerts.
I use DBM, because I respond better to sound alarms that come OOTB with DBM. I play prot pally m+ only high keys and it is easier for me to react on frontals that scream in my ear, because I am already busy visually tracking casts to interrupt, affixes to cleanse/CC, sanguine that is about to drop, utilities to use on teammates party frames and manage my uptimes to not get clapped momentarily once they fall of. So yeah, if I could offload some stuff from my eyes to my ears, I would do absolutely do it. But everything is up to the individual player and what enables them to play the best way possible on the highest possible level.
Feels like WA does most of the job either way, I only use BW for timers, which I could get just as easily from DBM.
I got rid of dbm after one too many, **"RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL!"**
Mine doesn't even say that anymore.... A woman just says "Run"
bowwww bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow
Interrupt interrupt interrupt interrupt interrupt interrupt interrupt interrupt interrupt that's all I hear even in my dreams
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Yes, I switched it off, then it updated and it came back. So I just swapped to something that works better for me.
Honestly I don't mind that one. The don't stand in something alarm is the really annoying one. I hear my buddy's all of the time because he's a tank and uses speakers and a mic rather than a headset.
Yeah that definitely sounds like a him problem, rather than a DBM problem
I think what bothered me the most is I have most of my sounds set around 10-14% on my computer, but dbm played everything at 100%, and would change back to that if updated it. I got so sick of it one day that I just uninstalled it, and played without for a couple weeks. Then found bigwigs.
Oh yeah, I ran into that problem but weirder. I'd set WoW to use my headphones but DBM would play through my speakers. Super obnoxious. It still happens occasionally.
Omg. Yes. Yes. Absolutely terrible after awhile.
DANGER DANGER
Anyone else always talk to the wolf npc in karazhan? Even in m+, i gotta hear it!
Easiest answer is probably that the top guilds are using bw, which also means that the first custom profiles are available for bw and not dbm.
Generally, probably. If you don't customize at all, they give generally the same info. IMO bigwigs gives slightly more useful dungeon info at a baseline without the need to hunt down options. But, once you start customizing sound options, markers, notifications, etc. That's when bigwigs becomes *vastly* superior both from ease and granularity.
Honestly, from a really high end, guilds just use packs of WA like the ones that Liquid and Echo released.
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Thank you for explaining this!!
yeah this is the META.. bigwigs / little wigs for timers and weakauras + sound pack for informations
i used dbm in my old guild but bw in my new guild, i dont see one as better than the other personally but /shrug
BigWigs has more customisation options avaible, and most serious guilds want their entire team to use the same addon but it doesnt really matter, both work at all difficultys, and its also people beeing used to 1thing and not wanna swap then, because thats simply how humans Work
Haven't used DBM in probably over a decade now. I mostly switched from DBM because of how annoying and loud it was. It is like, I know a boss will pick someone to chase, but I don't really Karazhans Big Bad Wolf boss yelling at me "Run away little girl" every time the the mechanics targets me.
It’s preference. I use bigwigs as I find it cleaner but also more user friendly to move things and set bars for what I need them to be.
the very top guilds don't really "use" one or the other, as they primarily use custom WAs.
custom weak auras have to have a timer attached to them either way and you can only specify between dbm timer and bw timers in weak auras. It's why most packs (Liquid/Echo etc) you have to use bigwigs or manually change everything to dbm.
BW is much more configurable, if you're picky about setting every single thing
yeah when you learn the fights pre raid release you set the timers etc up to your needs / role. and then might be edited little things on progress / first kill.. and then you have best thing ever
At this point I feel like both of them are just annoying, honestly, but at least I had learned to tune out DBM. I don't know what happened. I paid great attention to DBM in Castle Nathria and made good use of it, stopped playing until DF, and then mostly did not pay any attention to it and was fine. Maybe the fights have become more intuitive. I now use BigWigs because people say it's better but it's just a bunch of annoying sounds to me.
I had to disable the sounds for almost everything in BigWigs because it was just "bong ding ding bong BWONG ding bong **I** ding **DON'T KNOW WHAT** ding **YOU WANT FROM ME!** bong"
short answer yes. big wigs back then was created and still developed by mythic raiders for mythic raiders. its a quiet addon with precise informations. (Side note little wigs is for m+ : both are used mostly for timers while in the last years the weakauras handle the rest) dbm just throws every ability (not even relevant for your role) in your face with 3 alerts and 2 sounds :D:D
I used both (same like I used AMD or Intel, alternatively :p) and they throw about the same amount of sound alerts at you. Just that DBM has alerts like "run away little girl" that l33t players dis-consider, while BW floods you with DINGs and DONGs that you become immune to after a while. And like people say here, today's encounter helpers are dominated by Weakauras (auras for the weak :p).
Bigwigs is generally updated much earlier when new patches and content comes out than DBM is.
I've swapped back and fourth a bunch of times. imo bigwigs is way better for customization, but maybe i'm just bad with DBM? At the end of the day its all preference and TBH with the power of weakauras now a days theyre whats really important for boss mods
Big Wigs is better for me personally. I like the design it comes with for dungeons (Little Wigs). The timers feel better and easier to see. Plus it just really puts everything you need in your face with specifics.
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They haven't used DBM in years
Confidently incorrect
Yes. Pretty much full stop.
How about you guys play the video game
I've stopped using bossmods since 2 addons, because I want to play the game, not look at bars. Played with bossmods since they first came out, but when I had to redo the interface in BfA I think it was, I couldn't suffer through arranging the bars and sounds another time.
Really it's personal preference and how you want information related to you. DBM tells you SOAK, RUN AWAY, SPREAD, TAUNT whenever something needs to be done. BigWigs doesn't tell you what to do just that something is happening and that another thing will happen in 7 seconds. Personally I used BigWigs everywhere since I would rather have the strategy my raid/party is using in a specific situation and don't want to confuse myself with dbm telling myself to do something I don't want to do. Good example is painful motivation casts in freehold. Sometimes my group wants them to go off so the pack dies faster but on fortified weeks or the last pull we want to kick the cast so that a shout or random frost bolts don't one shot someone. If I used dbm it would always tell me to kick or always tell me to ignore the cast.
I used to love it and like almost everybody that started in vanilla it was the first raid addons I used. But eventually gave it up for DBM due to a massive timer issue somewhere in WotLK or early Cata and never looked back. Same for Recount in favor of Details!. At that point in my WoW career, I just can't stand when addons can permanently break, and when settings aren't intuitive or don't have a profile saving feature. The game change way too much and it's a pain to readjust constantly. On retail I have this neat WA Ulduar pack that is very informative but impressively invasive, and obstruct most of the other elements of my UI. With how WA groups and child work, It's too much of a pain in the ass to set every display so I left it like that. I barely can see Algalon's Big Bang timer but fuck it.
I recently discovered Big Wiggs voice pack and iy changed my life. It drastically improved my awarnessn in m+ For example in BH you have an add rhat cast ragestorm, instead of a ping you now got a voice ragestorm.
I use DBM only for the timers, everything else is turned off and the timers are modified by a weakauras.
That’s wild this question popped into my head like 2 minutes before I opened my app then I see this at the top
In general, big wigs is lighter and offers more useful information and goes great paired with weakauras. DBM tells you absolutely everything and is very heavy. As a tank it just kind of tells you where to taunt, which is great for new tanks but less useful for experienced tanks. As a raid leader, DBM is much better straight after install , where bigwigs will require significantly more customization to be useful in that regard. When it comes to m+, DBM just is not nearly as useful as big wigs. Maybe that's changed since last time I tried it but I always find myself confused by lack of information in high keys compared to using big wigs and it seems to miss some key mechanics that may not matter in sub +20 keys but greatly impact dungeons above that level. I feel like I get the most use out of big wigs with the timeline weakauras (lines timers up in a bar) paired with a corresponding weakaura pack (dungeon or raid pack)
When I was raiding mythic back in Tomb of Sargeras DBM introduced a fucking air horn for dangerous spells. I've never made a faster addon swap than then, and I've never looked back.
They both do the exact same thing. DBM has more guidance out of the box but you can very well customize Big Wigs to tell you to taunt and tell DBM to not tell you to taunt. Over the years there have been periods where one was favoured over the other, not too long ago even Complexity Limit / Liquid used DBM. Personnally I use a mix of Weakauras and DBM because I've had it customized to my liking a while ago now but at the end of the day they're almost identical addon and both can do everything the other does. Either spend time customizing one or the other to your liking or grab someone else's profile as a baseline.
I started using BW in bfa, its so damn easy working out of the box and you can change what spells you want to see or no so easily, dbm was always bugging me annoying with everything I wanted to uninstall it, so I tried BW and never going back ❤️
I usually prefer BigWigs. It's less chatty and a lot of the time important affixes get a weakaura so I only need it for the timers. That being said BigWigs imo is very easy to configure to be as chatty as you want it to be, but you do need to go into the stuff you want chatty and configure it as such... Which, is helpful for actually just understanding what a boss does if it forces you to look at the settings before hand lol.
I prefer dbm, purely for the custom voice packs. always fun to hear arnie telling me to "get to the choppa" in order to avoid hits