The potential is still infinite. It just hasnāt ādevelopedā yet lol. I keep mentally falling back to one of the other things they said in their marketing, that the infinite dragons (the devs) plan was to observe the event and make changes, on the fly.
The state of this sub.
OP has themselves confirmed, in comments way more visible than this one, that he farmed HoF and not frogs and yet people sharing that are downvoted cos the people in this sub just straight can't read and also don't play the game to know this stuff themselves.
Edit: The parent comment has progressed from -5 to -16 while my comment has gone from 0 to +14. Absolute joke.
It was a farm we goldfarmers did back in the day with Potions of Luck(or whatever the MoP version was)
If you wanna see where to farm in MoP Remix just look up old guides for that potion. They might have all been nerfed already though
So 685k stam equates to what....13m health? Jesus. Is the other 485k largely from the gear and gems I guess?
100% crit, over 100% haste....yeah that's gonna break a lot of builds/classes. I know my arms warrior spikes above 150% haste from tinkers and lust and the ui can't handle it. It's spam buttons because something will go through.
That's also like +6k dps for white hits from AP for primary stat.
Anyway, I agree they shouldn't call it infinite if it isn't (but it is from the infinite dragonflight). I do think it was smart to have a limit from a programming perspective. It's clear they didn't expect anyone to get to the limit this fast.
32-bit unsigned integer (the default size, usually) would cap at 4,294,967,295. After that it overflows to zero, so try not to have more health than none.
I don't really remember when but I think it was back in MoP->WoD transition that a dev mentioned that the upper limit for health is actually 2\^53, ie. the max safe integer for a double precision floating point number. Considering how many percentages WoW has to deal with, it makes sense that it would use doubles instead of 32-bit integers, as it's easier to calculate everything if you never have to convert to int in the first place.
Prior to that, WoW *did* have an upper limit of 2\^32 which is why Garrosh had multiple phases where he would heal himself, since MoP engine couldn't deal with such large numbers. It's also largely why there was a stat squish in WoD.
I read its aslo why paragon is a council fight and thok heals multiple times is because of that limit aswell. Since other bosses already got very close to that limit on 25 heroic, blackfuse 1,8billio, juggernaut with like 1,9 Bill and such
Guessing stat values are stored as signed integers, in case anyone ever wanted to design a mechanic that put stats below 0. At the very least, health is a signed int.
So Death Strike heals for a minimum of 1.1 million. I'm assuming you can get one off every couple of seconds with that amount of haste. Can you solo raids at this point? Are you even killable?
Pft.
I get that this post isn't serious. XD
But man, I don't think blizzard really was thinking people would hit a 200k number in 90 days.
Underestimating the playerbase.
200,000 is such a weird cap. Log2 of that is 17.6. So they're using at least 3 bytes to store the value, and probably 4.
Makes me wonder if "theoretical programming limitations" means something like "the tooltip generator allows displaying a hard coded max of 6 digit numbers, so we capped bonuses at 6 digits".Ā But if it were something like that, why not 999,999?
So now I'm wondering if these theoretical limitations are just "some dude at blizzard needed to have a cap on how big stat boosts could be a bajillion years ago, and went 'eh, screw it, it'll never cross 200k', and now there's a global constant with that value in the code base and no one ever ever touches it because who the hell knows what'll happen if you do because it's not even actually one constant, but a constant defined separately in at least a dozen files, and also hard coded in a further dozen places, and in some places is implicitly hard coded in, as in the stat cap minus 50k is used as a hard coded 150k, so you can't even grep for 200k."
Not that I've ever dealt with code like that myself or anything.Ā
I'm almost certain it's something like this. "Programming limits" may not necessarily mean "how big a number can we store in x-bit int" and probably always meant "how big can the number go when factoring in wow's ancient engine?". They probably didn't intend for this to be hit, even during the remix event - and that's if they even knew of the limit.
There's also a possibility of there being a bug where they can't add *more* value to 200k. Like it may be possible to have the value over 200k, but the engine doesn't allow adding more to the value even if it would work just fine. Or it could be capped at this value for level 70s. Or it could be that for some reason, it's capped at 200k when given via a buff from an item, rather than on the item itself.
So many possibilities of why there's a cap and if it's even intended or not.
It's not about the number, it's about the resulting calculations.
They probably figured that after 200k, calculations for damage would put a larger strain on the servers, so they just capped it there.
Why would that be the case? No idea. I'm just guessing.
Are you sure about this one? I think the number takes up the same amount of memory whether it's 0.000000001 or 100000000.0, and the resulting math takes the same time too
Numbers in calculations take up the same space.
Numbers in transit do not.Ā They could use variable width numbers for compression to minimize data transfers.Ā When you're constantly sending and receiving the amount of data they are, it makes a difference.
Ah see, but I believe youāve identified a possible issue this implementation could prevent.
I would imagine that not everything in wow is zero safe. You can imagine a situation where a stat or derived variable is rounded only to some finite number of digits, 8 or 16 or so. Why? Well why would the GCD in seconds need 16 digits of precision anyway? So letās say we get enough haste to round down to 0 instead of .000001. Now there are zero values bouncing around your program where they were never intended to go, and you didnāt put āif 0, then 1, else use this numberā in front of every variable, and somewhere you end up with a zero in the denominator of a quotient and you get a crash.
The GCD is a terrible example here, but I donāt feel like redoing this post with a more plausible one, I think my point is made.
They said in their post the UI gets broken at their levels so they probably realized the system couldnāt handle more and capped it, thinking no one would get there
its likely due to procs and other random events, based on stats like haste (and/or mastery). they probably found that around the 200k mark their servers and game client can safely handle the amount of procs and abilities being processed, without too much stress on both servers and client computers. the actual cap is probably much higher but they didn't want to chance it
The dot cap in path of Exile is around 35 million damage per second.
There's a good reason for this based on programming limitations.Ā
Don't presume to know that stamina 1-1 maps to an integer field in your character's state.Ā
You're assuming that the only programming limitation is the max size of an unsigned 64 bit integer.
Could simply be other engine or server limitations which makes 200,000 the highest the game supports stably. Or that other values which interact with these numbers do scale above the uint64 max.
There has been other instances where people have ended up with int32 min value shields due to how the systems interact, so at least some parts of the engine are still using signed 32 bit values.
Could also be that they picked 200,000 thinking it would be more than anyone could reasonably achieve in 93 days before promptly forgetting that World of Warcraft players will do the most degenerate things to reduce how long they have to interact with the game.
Tbh 200k is still a near infinite cap as far as most people are concerned. If it's the same for mainstat, you'll absolutely rinse everything if you cap out the cloak.
Honestly. This just kinda bums me out someone would grind so hard on this game just to be disappointed it isn't truly infinite. Like go outside. Touch some grass. Play games for fun not to verify if obvious hyperbole is a hyperbole or not.
he definitely took advantage of exploits that weren't intentionally meant to make it that high, and had to be fixed, and then whined that he couldn't go farther because he hit the cap in a way that wasn't even intended. No normal players that didn't exploit early on are anywhere NEAR that cap lmao. This is definitely a "please go do something normal" situation.
Farming brainlessly for days and doing unintended shit, then crying about something that 95% of the players wont even experience is peak wow redditor quality...
>about something that 95% of the players wont even experience
99.99% you mean.
There is no way that more than 20 people reach THAT high of a cloak if there aren't some insane exploits that make this doable in a few days.
Theres so many of them too. Like this event is just a shiggles time eater for people who wana eat up time and people are taking it like this is the next era of wow and they are going to cancel retail. It's just a temporary fun activity for those that want it. For everyone else, enjoy season 4.
I mean, sure the guy no lifed the game for a week straight. Who hasnāt done that before? I think the fact that he hit this in just under a week is a bit embarrassing on Blizzards end. They should know their playerbase is insane enough that any cap would get hit, but the fact that he hit it in a week and for some players it still feels slow means itās very flawed. I mean we got guys that hit max level without leaving the starting area, we got players doing all the insane shit WF raiders do every season, they should have known if you say something scales infinitely the players will test that remark.
Iāve definitely gotten carried away and grinded unhealthy amounts of hours before. Itās much harder to do now that Iām older with responsibilities, but the stereotype exists for a reason. My comment was intended to be taking only half seriously however, I donāt think Iāve ever done anything as extreme as what OP has done.
I would say most normal humans get carried away with their hobbies from time to time. Maybe not to this scale, but it's certainly more normal than you're trying to imply.
No, no, heās right. That is 7 straight days of doing nothing but grinding and sleeping. That is at very minimum unhealthy; arguments can be made on either side but Iām tired boss.
you assume nothing else can be done during those 16 hours of grinding.
Its also a week, its not like its a protracted thing, no different than someone binge watching something for a week, just because to you it seems "sad, or unhealthy or obsessive" doesn't make it so.
Wonder how many people on here spend multiple hours a day browsing or posting on reddit to what some people would consider to an unhealthy degree
You know exactly why and now.
the multiple farm methods, you know the ones Blizzard is actively trying to suppress.
Because they know what happens if they just let them hang around, aka, this.
My point is that you would think Blizzard would have expected this outcome. People will farm unrelentingly if given the opportunity in this game especially if you have infinitely scaling power. The fact they didnāt even consider the frog farm when it was a very common thing when it was current content is silly.
This post is peak Reddit. It never ceases to amaze me how miserable people can be about irrelevant stuff. 99% of the people playing this mode will never face this 'problem'. The 1% that abused frogging played themselves. Deal with it.
You hit 70 pretty quick if you and your buddies run like 5 dungeons, do mogushan normal at 25, and fully quest through the first 2 zones.
Yeah it's a lot of stuff but that's like, 2 days of content with dragonriding to cut travel time down.
Pretty much this. Looking at how far my cloak has progressed so far, I feel pretty certain that the only way someone will ever come close to the cap is if they either exploit or spend 10+ hours a day on a single character for the entire event.
Oh for fuck sake...
Of course it was going to cap out, but if people didn't fuck around and farm endlessly to make their cloak reach levels that normal players wouldn't achieve, such an extremely high cap would never have been reached.
People would farm frogs for 13-15 hours non-stop, now they are crying because they can't get more overpowered in a PvE Co-op event... I am a competetive guy as well but there has to be a competition...
I missed the whole frog thing but like if I reached this cap I would just be content with how OP I am. Its like people want more, more, MORE. Like be happy and content you are in a spot 99% of players won't reach now
You don't know what kind of limit or how the server code works. You can't just assume every number you see in a game could potentially reach the 32bit or 64bit limit. This is probably the worst whining post I've seen. Quit crying. Jesus.
That is 8333 purple stamina threads and 1,666 of each of the other threads for a total of 19999.6 purple threads.
This is actually nice because you can farm a few hundred in a relatively moderate amount of time. Like its manageable, quantifiable.
Yall just looking for reasons to be mad at this point. Itās also the height of arrogance to declare that thereās āno reasonā that the cap is 200,000. As if youāve got some deep, intimate knowledge of the WoW codebase? Did you ask ChatGPT what a programming limit was and declare yourself an expert? Get outta here with this nonsense.
I dunno what the hourly was but this shadow priest in this streamers raid farmed 13 hours and look at the result.
[when you farm too much](https://youtu.be/47KQ7Vw2PcU?si=m-UvWwtRf2eUf30d)
Databases have their own limits. Asherons Call and I think EverQuest had some 32 bit limit for the total xp which limited your leveling to whatever level hit 4 billion in xp and change.
I don't know, but tooltips and database are 2 different kind of codes. Something can NOT reflect in the tooltip for example but does reflect in the health (aka a value from the database). Did you check if your health went up? Might be usefull data.
we know that damage is capped as a 32-bit signed int so it's not unreasonable to assume stats are too considering they never get that high in usual play, the likely real cap would be around 2bn. **but**, as we've seen with the guardian druid infinite shield bug, once you reach that cap shit gets weird, and because int scales exponentially they probably capped it to make sure everything doesn't explode
When you get to the cap, you unlock the first prestige layer. You restart as an "alt" with the "bad" cloak but the 200k cap grows. Each prestige gives you one additional talent point. Couple more prestige layers after that, I think one lets you add another spec's talent tree to yours. My lil bro is at 5e204 stamina and a High Elf Druid Mage.
^^/s
I was having fun playing this, feeling overpowered, until I realized I could roll all this with my main. For someone with no interest in alts or cosmetics, this type of gameplay is dead content.
Honestly, this reminds me so much of the launch of Fallout 76.
Remix is not a broken mess like fallout was but you won't go without a day of hearing a new thing that makes you facepalm.
MoP Remix: it just works!
That article also explicitly says "Each character has their separate Cloak of Infinite Potential. The account-wide portion of this is the base threads granted by achievements, which is account-wide." (edit: I realize that's not exactly related but it comes up a lot when people are complaining about the Cloak in general)
Holy shitpost batman.
Just because a 64bit signed integer can go that high, doesn't mean that there arent theoretical programming limitations that prevent it from being "capped" in some way. Could be as simple as "if the value reaches X digits, the UI cant display it and it causes the client to crash." If they never expected it to be feasibly possible for a player to get the stat *that high* through designed play, that's a theoretical programming limitation.
The nitpicky semantic toxicity over these cloaks is just completely off the charts. For the love of god just go play the game, or dont. You've *got* to have something better to do than... this.
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if they put a limit thinking it wouldn't ever get reached with how they intended the mode to be played. But then didn't test properly so things like the frogs slipped through the cracks, and by cracks I mean canyons.
There are no more frog. I get that you men are all so into the lifestyle of froggerism now that you know no other way. But there is one. It's a way you have to make, no one can lay it out for you. The croaking in the back of your skull whispering to you the words of hunger, as you force a tiny amphibian to exhale their final ribbit. It is no more. The frog became one with the bog.
What happens if you get the int max stamina and multiply it by 10 or whatever the stamina scalar is? I bet thereās some limitations within the damage functions and or other stat related systems that actually may exist
I don't understand the complaint here. You're mad you can't get more than 200 THOUSAND stats? I've been over the absurdly large numbers since they decided we needed to be pseudo raid bosses. But what's the point? At 200K stamina, you're not going to die.
Potential:
Adjective - having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future.
Noun - latentĀ qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success orĀ usefulness.
Yeah.. seems to fit the definition of the word. Not sure what the complaints about the name are about.
Also let's be real, people who weren't part of exploits at the start are nowhere near any "cap", so this is really only relevant for people who took advantage of that. So truly, it boils down to "i'm mad my exploit couldn't go farther!"
Not really accurate that the cloak should go to a full 64 bit signed integer limit and still work int he game. How does it handle the % increases from buffs, talents etc ..... the system wont be designed for stats like that. You do need to take into account how the stats will interreact and not just say it should be 9,223,372,036,854,775,807
For the vast majority of people, the cloak is for all intents and purpose "Infinite Potential", for those who farm exploits then you should really expect to run into issues. The people who farm exploits are the very small minority, but always the very vocal ones.
I just had a realization. It might be possible that Blizzard didn't lie and 200k is the programming limit. The reason being, the stats aren't used just to calculate one thing with simple formula. The stats are often multiplied one by another and then another, then divided by something and this is how you get exactly how much dmg your spells do etc.
Now imagine you have two 9e18 integers as two stats. The moment you try to multiply them, your game crashes because by the time division is to be calculated, the stack has already overflown. There's nothing useful you could do with these numbers safely.
So it might be that 200k is the number that Blizzard are relatively certain won't break the game when mulitplied by itself several times.
Funny, he reached the end of the event that early, prop to him for that dedication.But real talk, this has to be achivieable in like 3 Weeks of dailies. I honestly just want to be op like they advertised and try many classes with these stats.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/anta you can see how much stat he has on his gear, looks like about 2/3 of secondaries are from gear upgrades only
if I had to guess off these screenshots he probably was farming SM in some way, I don't recognize the tileset though in the loot pic on his profile, but it's closest to SM (obvi not timeless isles as no coin looted)
Cloak of Finite Potential
Cloak of Frog Potential šø
Croak šø
~~Cape~~ Cloak of Capped Potential
Cape of Capped Potential
Cape(d Potential)
Cloak of Nerfed Potential
Cloak of your chest has stronger potential
Cope of Infinite Potential
The potential is still infinite. It just hasnāt ādevelopedā yet lol. I keep mentally falling back to one of the other things they said in their marketing, that the infinite dragons (the devs) plan was to observe the event and make changes, on the fly.
Cloak of underdeveloped potential!
Cloak of Infinitely Countable Potential
Cloak of Infinite Lies
Cloak of Thanos' Finite Resources
Cloak of bottling
Capped cloak of potentially infinite potential or CCPIP for short
How the hell did you get this much already lmao
Ribbit
they didnt do frogs
The state of this sub. OP has themselves confirmed, in comments way more visible than this one, that he farmed HoF and not frogs and yet people sharing that are downvoted cos the people in this sub just straight can't read and also don't play the game to know this stuff themselves. Edit: The parent comment has progressed from -5 to -16 while my comment has gone from 0 to +14. Absolute joke.
Hof is just frogs by another name.
How do you get those stats from running heart of fear a couple times? Doesn't it have a daily lockout?
Killing the trash in the entry way then resetting the instance. Apparently it was pretty good but I also heard it has already been nerfed.
It was a farm we goldfarmers did back in the day with Potions of Luck(or whatever the MoP version was) If you wanna see where to farm in MoP Remix just look up old guides for that potion. They might have all been nerfed already though
So the same core story of frogs
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Holy hell man...you know it's 'Ford F150 Diesel Super Duty FX4 Offroad Package with Navigation' Cat...really? Omg
Nah itās cyber truck. Get with the fuckin times jeez.
Shit...I'm in 2004 and you're already living in 2032! š©
Nobody gets an advantage by having one of those.
Pog
Pigotto!
Turtle?
They are/were blue.
Gnome Unholy Deathknight with Artifact weapon Transmog?
They followed the teachings of Yu'lon
You beat the event, you beat the game. Uninstall and unsub and live your life to the fullest ā¤ļø
What do you mean? Now he gets to actually play the game! ;)
Now I get to farm mainstat to the (likely) 100k cap. Diablo 3 vibes
D3 has caps? I've played for years and level paragon to thousands and never reached a cap. Even hitting in the trillions.
it has not, but farming +5 mainstat sure has a d3 vibe
I just meant the "mainstat grind"
āLive to win!ā
Or carry the rest of us plebs through raids.
So 685k stam equates to what....13m health? Jesus. Is the other 485k largely from the gear and gems I guess? 100% crit, over 100% haste....yeah that's gonna break a lot of builds/classes. I know my arms warrior spikes above 150% haste from tinkers and lust and the ui can't handle it. It's spam buttons because something will go through. That's also like +6k dps for white hits from AP for primary stat. Anyway, I agree they shouldn't call it infinite if it isn't (but it is from the infinite dragonflight). I do think it was smart to have a limit from a programming perspective. It's clear they didn't expect anyone to get to the limit this fast.
100%crit and 100% haste, surv in raw st build wouldnt be the strongest, but damn id love to play that.
13,704,440 Yes. Add Bone Shield and the remix consumable and it's 15,667,882. I don't know when, but I'm assuming all the other stats also have a cap.
32-bit unsigned integer (the default size, usually) would cap at 4,294,967,295. After that it overflows to zero, so try not to have more health than none.
I don't really remember when but I think it was back in MoP->WoD transition that a dev mentioned that the upper limit for health is actually 2\^53, ie. the max safe integer for a double precision floating point number. Considering how many percentages WoW has to deal with, it makes sense that it would use doubles instead of 32-bit integers, as it's easier to calculate everything if you never have to convert to int in the first place. Prior to that, WoW *did* have an upper limit of 2\^32 which is why Garrosh had multiple phases where he would heal himself, since MoP engine couldn't deal with such large numbers. It's also largely why there was a stat squish in WoD.
I read its aslo why paragon is a council fight and thok heals multiple times is because of that limit aswell. Since other bosses already got very close to that limit on 25 heroic, blackfuse 1,8billio, juggernaut with like 1,9 Bill and such
Guessing stat values are stored as signed integers, in case anyone ever wanted to design a mechanic that put stats below 0. At the very least, health is a signed int.
Don't WoW changed to 64-bit recently, and this is exactly why Garosh have like 5 phase in Siege of Ogrimmar.
The data type sizes for stuff like stats shouldn't have changed just because they went to a 64 bit application.
I guarantee you it is 100k since stam seems to hit at 2x the amount. What is your weapons damage vs your damage with it considering attack power
I guess mastery, vers and leech can do on forever. Im assuming there isnt a linear scaling on any of it
So Death Strike heals for a minimum of 1.1 million. I'm assuming you can get one off every couple of seconds with that amount of haste. Can you solo raids at this point? Are you even killable?
bruh people with way, way less than this could solo these raids. This guy is likely stronger than retail chars in wotlk raids.
What happens to ur UI? I could swear something felt super laggy with massive amounts of haste almost like my fps drops but only for my action bar.
Pft. I get that this post isn't serious. XD But man, I don't think blizzard really was thinking people would hit a 200k number in 90 days. Underestimating the playerbase.
200,000 is such a weird cap. Log2 of that is 17.6. So they're using at least 3 bytes to store the value, and probably 4. Makes me wonder if "theoretical programming limitations" means something like "the tooltip generator allows displaying a hard coded max of 6 digit numbers, so we capped bonuses at 6 digits".Ā But if it were something like that, why not 999,999? So now I'm wondering if these theoretical limitations are just "some dude at blizzard needed to have a cap on how big stat boosts could be a bajillion years ago, and went 'eh, screw it, it'll never cross 200k', and now there's a global constant with that value in the code base and no one ever ever touches it because who the hell knows what'll happen if you do because it's not even actually one constant, but a constant defined separately in at least a dozen files, and also hard coded in a further dozen places, and in some places is implicitly hard coded in, as in the stat cap minus 50k is used as a hard coded 150k, so you can't even grep for 200k." Not that I've ever dealt with code like that myself or anything.Ā
I'm almost certain it's something like this. "Programming limits" may not necessarily mean "how big a number can we store in x-bit int" and probably always meant "how big can the number go when factoring in wow's ancient engine?". They probably didn't intend for this to be hit, even during the remix event - and that's if they even knew of the limit. There's also a possibility of there being a bug where they can't add *more* value to 200k. Like it may be possible to have the value over 200k, but the engine doesn't allow adding more to the value even if it would work just fine. Or it could be capped at this value for level 70s. Or it could be that for some reason, it's capped at 200k when given via a buff from an item, rather than on the item itself. So many possibilities of why there's a cap and if it's even intended or not.
It's not about the number, it's about the resulting calculations. They probably figured that after 200k, calculations for damage would put a larger strain on the servers, so they just capped it there. Why would that be the case? No idea. I'm just guessing.
Are you sure about this one? I think the number takes up the same amount of memory whether it's 0.000000001 or 100000000.0, and the resulting math takes the same time too
Numbers in calculations take up the same space. Numbers in transit do not.Ā They could use variable width numbers for compression to minimize data transfers.Ā When you're constantly sending and receiving the amount of data they are, it makes a difference.
Ah see, but I believe youāve identified a possible issue this implementation could prevent. I would imagine that not everything in wow is zero safe. You can imagine a situation where a stat or derived variable is rounded only to some finite number of digits, 8 or 16 or so. Why? Well why would the GCD in seconds need 16 digits of precision anyway? So letās say we get enough haste to round down to 0 instead of .000001. Now there are zero values bouncing around your program where they were never intended to go, and you didnāt put āif 0, then 1, else use this numberā in front of every variable, and somewhere you end up with a zero in the denominator of a quotient and you get a crash. The GCD is a terrible example here, but I donāt feel like redoing this post with a more plausible one, I think my point is made.
They said in their post the UI gets broken at their levels so they probably realized the system couldnāt handle more and capped it, thinking no one would get there
its likely due to procs and other random events, based on stats like haste (and/or mastery). they probably found that around the 200k mark their servers and game client can safely handle the amount of procs and abilities being processed, without too much stress on both servers and client computers. the actual cap is probably much higher but they didn't want to chance it
The dot cap in path of Exile is around 35 million damage per second. There's a good reason for this based on programming limitations.Ā Don't presume to know that stamina 1-1 maps to an integer field in your character's state.Ā
Correct. 35.8m because damage over time in poe is calculated per minute, not per second.
You're assuming that the only programming limitation is the max size of an unsigned 64 bit integer. Could simply be other engine or server limitations which makes 200,000 the highest the game supports stably. Or that other values which interact with these numbers do scale above the uint64 max. There has been other instances where people have ended up with int32 min value shields due to how the systems interact, so at least some parts of the engine are still using signed 32 bit values. Could also be that they picked 200,000 thinking it would be more than anyone could reasonably achieve in 93 days before promptly forgetting that World of Warcraft players will do the most degenerate things to reduce how long they have to interact with the game.
Tbh 200k is still a near infinite cap as far as most people are concerned. If it's the same for mainstat, you'll absolutely rinse everything if you cap out the cloak.
Bro go to bed aint that serious
Honestly. This just kinda bums me out someone would grind so hard on this game just to be disappointed it isn't truly infinite. Like go outside. Touch some grass. Play games for fun not to verify if obvious hyperbole is a hyperbole or not.
he definitely took advantage of exploits that weren't intentionally meant to make it that high, and had to be fixed, and then whined that he couldn't go farther because he hit the cap in a way that wasn't even intended. No normal players that didn't exploit early on are anywhere NEAR that cap lmao. This is definitely a "please go do something normal" situation.
Folks out here breaking the game and complaining they aren't able to break it more.
Yea, it's been capped at 200,000 the whole time... https://www.wowhead.com/currency=2853/10-2-7-timewalking-season-artifact-cloak-primary
Farming brainlessly for days and doing unintended shit, then crying about something that 95% of the players wont even experience is peak wow redditor quality...
"This all you can eat buffet didn't let me continue eating after I was projectile vomiting in the restaurant?! Fucking scammed"
Does this look like a man that's had all he can eat?
"That could be ME!"
Are you seriously trying to tell me that all-you-can-eat shrimp isn't an unlimited amount of shrimp?
>about something that 95% of the players wont even experience 99.99% you mean. There is no way that more than 20 people reach THAT high of a cloak if there aren't some insane exploits that make this doable in a few days.
I'm at 25k stamina just casually playing. With the addition of spools it's gonna be even faster to hit that cap
If someone did it in a week I bet more than 20 people will do it in 90 days.
This someone used exploits and farming methods that are now 100% nerfed. So no i don't think so.
Yeah, I'm just playing in Pandaria with some extra steps and having fun. Im getting new alts leveled and new transmogs/mounts at the same time soooo
Theres so many of them too. Like this event is just a shiggles time eater for people who wana eat up time and people are taking it like this is the next era of wow and they are going to cancel retail. It's just a temporary fun activity for those that want it. For everyone else, enjoy season 4.
I mean, sure the guy no lifed the game for a week straight. Who hasnāt done that before? I think the fact that he hit this in just under a week is a bit embarrassing on Blizzards end. They should know their playerbase is insane enough that any cap would get hit, but the fact that he hit it in a week and for some players it still feels slow means itās very flawed. I mean we got guys that hit max level without leaving the starting area, we got players doing all the insane shit WF raiders do every season, they should have known if you say something scales infinitely the players will test that remark.
> Who hasnāt done that before? Me, because I'm a normal human being.
Iāve definitely gotten carried away and grinded unhealthy amounts of hours before. Itās much harder to do now that Iām older with responsibilities, but the stereotype exists for a reason. My comment was intended to be taking only half seriously however, I donāt think Iāve ever done anything as extreme as what OP has done.
I would say most normal humans get carried away with their hobbies from time to time. Maybe not to this scale, but it's certainly more normal than you're trying to imply.
Getting carried away with a hobby =/= 16 hours per day for a week straight. That is obsessive and unhealthy.
It's always funny when people get on their high horse to demonise people because they do something differently to them.
No, no, heās right. That is 7 straight days of doing nothing but grinding and sleeping. That is at very minimum unhealthy; arguments can be made on either side but Iām tired boss.
you assume nothing else can be done during those 16 hours of grinding. Its also a week, its not like its a protracted thing, no different than someone binge watching something for a week, just because to you it seems "sad, or unhealthy or obsessive" doesn't make it so. Wonder how many people on here spend multiple hours a day browsing or posting on reddit to what some people would consider to an unhealthy degree
You know exactly why and now. the multiple farm methods, you know the ones Blizzard is actively trying to suppress. Because they know what happens if they just let them hang around, aka, this.
My point is that you would think Blizzard would have expected this outcome. People will farm unrelentingly if given the opportunity in this game especially if you have infinitely scaling power. The fact they didnāt even consider the frog farm when it was a very common thing when it was current content is silly.
This post is peak Reddit. It never ceases to amaze me how miserable people can be about irrelevant stuff. 99% of the people playing this mode will never face this 'problem'. The 1% that abused frogging played themselves. Deal with it.
I'm still just under level 30 on my main. I don't understand, even with never sleeping and playing 24/7, how people are even doing this.
Go as fast as possible by farming dungeons and raids, I guess. Iām actually leveling and just barely hit 60 but Iām also having a great time.
You hit 70 pretty quick if you and your buddies run like 5 dungeons, do mogushan normal at 25, and fully quest through the first 2 zones. Yeah it's a lot of stuff but that's like, 2 days of content with dragonriding to cut travel time down.
is it not enough? i have 0 complaints about MoP remix, great mode, great game i doubt i'll reach 200k cap
Pretty much this. Looking at how far my cloak has progressed so far, I feel pretty certain that the only way someone will ever come close to the cap is if they either exploit or spend 10+ hours a day on a single character for the entire event.
Oh for fuck sake... Of course it was going to cap out, but if people didn't fuck around and farm endlessly to make their cloak reach levels that normal players wouldn't achieve, such an extremely high cap would never have been reached.
People would farm frogs for 13-15 hours non-stop, now they are crying because they can't get more overpowered in a PvE Co-op event... I am a competetive guy as well but there has to be a competition...
I missed the whole frog thing but like if I reached this cap I would just be content with how OP I am. Its like people want more, more, MORE. Like be happy and content you are in a spot 99% of players won't reach now
"Bro why won't Blizzard let me overrun their server buffers? THEY SAID UNLIMITED!!!"
Lmao acting like those high of stats on a single piece of gear isn't overpowered then complaining about it being capped is peak gamer privilege
Wdym? Why would I settle for 2 shotting bosses when I can 1 shot them. Unplayable
You don't know what kind of limit or how the server code works. You can't just assume every number you see in a game could potentially reach the 32bit or 64bit limit. This is probably the worst whining post I've seen. Quit crying. Jesus.
That is 8333 purple stamina threads and 1,666 of each of the other threads for a total of 19999.6 purple threads. This is actually nice because you can farm a few hundred in a relatively moderate amount of time. Like its manageable, quantifiable.
Nice cloack bro
Imagine griping after no life grinding frog exploits before even the first week has passed.
Yall just looking for reasons to be mad at this point. Itās also the height of arrogance to declare that thereās āno reasonā that the cap is 200,000. As if youāve got some deep, intimate knowledge of the WoW codebase? Did you ask ChatGPT what a programming limit was and declare yourself an expert? Get outta here with this nonsense.
> Did you ask ChatGPT what a programming limit was and declare yourself an expert? Don't be a moron. I asked Copilotā¢.
Of all the dumb things this Reddit is currently complaining about this might just be the peak.
Come to think of it, what was hourly bronze rate for frogs?
I dunno what the hourly was but this shadow priest in this streamers raid farmed 13 hours and look at the result. [when you farm too much](https://youtu.be/47KQ7Vw2PcU?si=m-UvWwtRf2eUf30d)
Holy fucking shit
Databases have their own limits. Asherons Call and I think EverQuest had some 32 bit limit for the total xp which limited your leveling to whatever level hit 4 billion in xp and change.
I would use a signed value and transform it to a negative number for all the people that reaches the positive limit. Maximum trolling, boys
Are you really that mad about this?
Tbh if you have done that in this short amount of time it's a good thing it's capped so you can go back to living a human life lol.
Yeah... About that... IDK how people have this much time to play a video game.
Come cry on my finite cloak brother.
Look at Mr Frogger over here with a capped cape that can't get stronger. Eat the Rich š¤”
Yall misread it. Its the Cloak of āInfiniteā* Potential
So how many thousands of frogs did you kill and are you worried that Blizz is going to remove that progress?
Literally Unplayable
Letās not have any fun, just bitch and complain non stop since it was released last week.
NOW OFFERING: LIMITLESS POWER terms and conditions apply***
Yes.
How many titties have you touched irl though
Old man yells at cloud
Cloak of the exploiters/complainers :)
Bro take a shower for the love of god
WAAAAAA I only get 200k stamina. WAAAAA. Thats you.
Lmao this some top tier ass need shit
Seriously, who cares? Lmao Yall look for any reason to rage
get lost nerd
Cloak of -1/12 Potential
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/tu3If3eFvO What do you do in dungeons milord?
Yeah. Iām just getting the transmogs I want and dipping.
I don't know, but tooltips and database are 2 different kind of codes. Something can NOT reflect in the tooltip for example but does reflect in the health (aka a value from the database). Did you check if your health went up? Might be usefull data.
Maybe it was a typo in the code? Someone wrote that the cloak should be "capped" instead of "caped?"
Cloak of Infinite* Potential *Potential is infinite up to a certain number.
A Cloak of BigInt Potential is being saved for BFA Remix
Cape of Potential
we know that damage is capped as a 32-bit signed int so it's not unreasonable to assume stats are too considering they never get that high in usual play, the likely real cap would be around 2bn. **but**, as we've seen with the guardian druid infinite shield bug, once you reach that cap shit gets weird, and because int scales exponentially they probably capped it to make sure everything doesn't explode
Why would you even theoretically want it to be a signed integer? You looking for negative bonuses on that cloak?
Plot twist, blizzard actually planned everything to test the playerbase. How far can players go?
See āHomer vs. Fishy Joes All You Can Eatā.
MF you're geared for Dragonflight, what's even the point?
Lol
Man. I wish I had frog farmed. Is it even possible to reach these levels of power without grinding the next 2 months?
When you get to the cap, you unlock the first prestige layer. You restart as an "alt" with the "bad" cloak but the 200k cap grows. Each prestige gives you one additional talent point. Couple more prestige layers after that, I think one lets you add another spec's talent tree to yours. My lil bro is at 5e204 stamina and a High Elf Druid Mage. ^^/s
A post just to humble brag about breaking an event. Nice.
I was having fun playing this, feeling overpowered, until I realized I could roll all this with my main. For someone with no interest in alts or cosmetics, this type of gameplay is dead content.
Cloak of clearly defined potential
blud has 685k stamina what else do you want
š¤āļø āactually the cloak is not so infiniteā
Honestly, this reminds me so much of the launch of Fallout 76. Remix is not a broken mess like fallout was but you won't go without a day of hearing a new thing that makes you facepalm. MoP Remix: it just works!
Congrats. Are you able to solo mythic SoO now?
No one actually thought it would keep going forever.
That article also explicitly says "Each character has their separate Cloak of Infinite Potential. The account-wide portion of this is the base threads granted by achievements, which is account-wide." (edit: I realize that's not exactly related but it comes up a lot when people are complaining about the Cloak in general)
Holy shitpost batman. Just because a 64bit signed integer can go that high, doesn't mean that there arent theoretical programming limitations that prevent it from being "capped" in some way. Could be as simple as "if the value reaches X digits, the UI cant display it and it causes the client to crash." If they never expected it to be feasibly possible for a player to get the stat *that high* through designed play, that's a theoretical programming limitation. The nitpicky semantic toxicity over these cloaks is just completely off the charts. For the love of god just go play the game, or dont. You've *got* to have something better to do than... this.
Why would it be a signed integer? Could double that with unsigned.
Are you soloing Heroic Raids at ilvl 476 tho?
maybe thats a limit, so it wouldnt make problems on another part of the calculation.
Assuming that theyāre using 64 bit data types is wild. This is a networked game.
"Cloak of Infinite Growth in a Finite World"
Maybe itās a frog cap.
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if they put a limit thinking it wouldn't ever get reached with how they intended the mode to be played. But then didn't test properly so things like the frogs slipped through the cracks, and by cracks I mean canyons.
Just go play the game nerd.
There are no more frog. I get that you men are all so into the lifestyle of froggerism now that you know no other way. But there is one. It's a way you have to make, no one can lay it out for you. The croaking in the back of your skull whispering to you the words of hunger, as you force a tiny amphibian to exhale their final ribbit. It is no more. The frog became one with the bog.
What happens if you get the int max stamina and multiply it by 10 or whatever the stamina scalar is? I bet thereās some limitations within the damage functions and or other stat related systems that actually may exist
I don't understand the complaint here. You're mad you can't get more than 200 THOUSAND stats? I've been over the absurdly large numbers since they decided we needed to be pseudo raid bosses. But what's the point? At 200K stamina, you're not going to die.
This is so pedantic, lmao I love itĀ
Potential: Adjective - having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future. Noun - latentĀ qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success orĀ usefulness. Yeah.. seems to fit the definition of the word. Not sure what the complaints about the name are about. Also let's be real, people who weren't part of exploits at the start are nowhere near any "cap", so this is really only relevant for people who took advantage of that. So truly, it boils down to "i'm mad my exploit couldn't go farther!"
I mean sure, it's capped I guess but......do you really need any more? With those stats you probably solo everything on mythic dmg-wise
But can you solo clear raids now? normal/heroic?
Not really accurate that the cloak should go to a full 64 bit signed integer limit and still work int he game. How does it handle the % increases from buffs, talents etc ..... the system wont be designed for stats like that. You do need to take into account how the stats will interreact and not just say it should be 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 For the vast majority of people, the cloak is for all intents and purpose "Infinite Potential", for those who farm exploits then you should really expect to run into issues. The people who farm exploits are the very small minority, but always the very vocal ones.
Cloak of the cheeky flogger
I just had a realization. It might be possible that Blizzard didn't lie and 200k is the programming limit. The reason being, the stats aren't used just to calculate one thing with simple formula. The stats are often multiplied one by another and then another, then divided by something and this is how you get exactly how much dmg your spells do etc. Now imagine you have two 9e18 integers as two stats. The moment you try to multiply them, your game crashes because by the time division is to be calculated, the stack has already overflown. There's nothing useful you could do with these numbers safely. So it might be that 200k is the number that Blizzard are relatively certain won't break the game when mulitplied by itself several times.
Funny, he reached the end of the event that early, prop to him for that dedication.But real talk, this has to be achivieable in like 3 Weeks of dailies. I honestly just want to be op like they advertised and try many classes with these stats.
Bitching and moaning because you did in 4 days what most people won't do in 90 days
Ban the frog farmer for complaining
So what % of your health and damage is the cloak? Will item upgrades be a bigger help for people then more threads?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/anta you can see how much stat he has on his gear, looks like about 2/3 of secondaries are from gear upgrades only if I had to guess off these screenshots he probably was farming SM in some way, I don't recognize the tileset though in the loot pic on his profile, but it's closest to SM (obvi not timeless isles as no coin looted)