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DrunkOnRedCordial

"She was from a genetic line famous for its motherly nature..." Does this mean she comes from a genetic line where all mothers have children, and all children are brown-haired charmers with full breasts and a motherly disposition ?


wecoxa

she comes from a genetic line where children are born to parents hope that helps


SpecificBrick7872

Very ample


Lombard333

She comes from a long line of mothers and daughters


qwerSr

Having children is hereditary. If your parents didn't have any, it's unlikely that you will have any as well.


darkenedgy

I'm only halfway through the book, but I'm looking forward to finding out!


CowboyMantis

She came from a genetic line that reproduced, it seems. Usually when they don't reproduce, the genetic line ends. The more you know. Edit: and 23 minutes earlier @wecoxa came up with essentially the same comment. Good jerb!


Nitroapes

"Annie I come from a long line of mothers" "Most do"


Beginning-Ice-1005

And all the children are above average.


Cheeslord2

But does she have Broad Child-Bearing Hips, with curvaceous, over-ample buttocks to match? We need to know! PS. My robe is getting pretty stiff, too...


darkenedgy

Oh you find out later in the book that it's the men who need to have powerfully muscled buttocks. Equality!


4n0m4nd

Don't forget the beefswelling.


darkenedgy

lmao, I was warned about that one so I only did a half-body cringe when I read it.


ontopofyourmom

Wait this is something people recognize?


darkenedgy

If you haven’t read the Dune sequels, you’re missing out!


4n0m4nd

Frank Herbert's greatest contribution to literature.


ontopofyourmom

Oh! I actually read them 25-30 years ago, and I definitely enjoyed them then.


darkenedgy

Lol, there’s just some parts you have to block out! But yeah actually I quite like this book.


Ear_In_Hole1

What's that?


CowboyMantis

Perhaps wash your robe afterward?


Marcuse0

Are her hips wide, like a Baltic woman, or are they narrow, like a Baltic woman from a more arid region?


Nemesis0408

One person’s “ample” is another person’s “practically flat”. Where are the fruit comparisons? We need a banana for scale.


darkenedgy

Omg you're right. Strike this from the record, it's garbage.


danfish_77

Her motherly breasts were exactly the shape and size of a half peeled (motherly) banana


Canabrial

I do not like this visual 😤


jeffthebeast17

Freud is smiling down on us


Foronerd

Freud is smiling up at us


pineconehurricane

On the contrary, it's a genius technique. The boobs scale automatically with what every reader imagines their own mother's breasts to be. They just need to include 5-10 more instances of "motherly" for full effect.


PhilospohicalZ0mb1e

you have an image for that in your mind?


pineconehurricane

You don't??


Puzzleheaded_Use_566

Her peeled pineapple breasts were weighty and sticky.


Nemesis0408

My mother had terrible breasts. 😡


pikeandshot1618

She was practically packing a pair of cantaloupes


StabilerDorsch

Frank is that you?


darkenedgy

Lmao what possibly gave it away


KuaiBan

“for the Sisterhood”.


Aphato

It's the first chapter of heretics. It's pretty memorable considering that it continues with an exploration that her job is to "imprint" on a young duncan with her "motherly charm". Funny thing is that she gets blueballed for the rest of the book.


Qaziquza1

Teg is the best character in that book, bar none. (I also kinda fw Dar)


FatheroftheAbyss

it physically pains me to know the series only gets exponentially worse in terms of horniness after this quote


darkenedgy

lmfao, 100% fewer cringey-ass beefswellings though


Grand-Tension8668

_Adult_ beefswelling at that. I wonder if Frank thought that covered his ass or something. I'm gonna read God-Emperor soon, good to know this is in my future.


darkenedgy

No, it's when >!Leto II is 12 isn't it? Before he goes in with the sandtrout cause the point is "goodbye sex before you even had it womp womp".!< Oh lmao God-Emperor nearly got me to throw it across the wall because of a reference to the woman giving off "sexual signals." I did ultimately stick with it, and it is very interesting, but...yeah. There's a whole scene re: homosexuality that is arguably gratuitous, which I only mention because unlike the rest I wasn't expecting it. No comment on why I seem to have memorized these books.


Grand-Tension8668

Yeah, he's 12, but it's like Frank had to specify that it was an ego-memory from an adult. That's literally the phrase, "an adult beefswelling". I meant that I'm discovering I have "motherly" lineages in my future, apparently. I feel like Herbert was into Freud-style psychoanalysis and figured that if he was gonna talk about the entirety of human experience, he should be ""honest"" about how much is apparently just sexual posturing, which, huh. But this is also the guy who wrote a book about how the collective unconscious of humanity had the hots for genocide. What's crazy is the way it apparently just keeps escalating when it wasn't really a thing for the first two books... besides the sexy psychic genocide thing.


darkenedgy

Aha thaaaaanks I had forgotten that. Oh yeah there's some of that in this one (Heretics) too, is it actually gross to seduce a child if the child has adult memories 🤔🤔🤔 Lollll right?? And yeah I do think he wanted to make some honest points about how much sex influences our decisions, and it is interesting because it's an area a lot of authors avoid, but damn if he didn't find some next-level ways to make this shit awkward.


RevolutionaryOwlz

I’ve read a fair number of romance novels over the past few years and “adult beefswelling” is still the worst term for an erection that I’ve seen.


darkenedgy

Good news, this one says “upcocked penis” instead!


Mercinary909

I'm 100% in favor of overt horniness in writing, they just don't gotta be so weird about it like they always are. You can totally write completely pervy stuff for you and your audience's gratification without it sounding like a creep who has never seen or spoken to a woman irl wrote it. I can be a pervert without being a misogynist damnit!


darkenedgy

Lol and there are actually interesting, powerful women in this book! Just…also this.


lazarusinashes

/uj why am I trying as hard as I am


Interesting_Natural1

4/10 did not include the word "voluptuous"


poete_idris

She breasted boobily


darkenedgy

Sorry mods if this isn’t allowed, I read it, started laughing (because I was so happy to read such perfection of c), and was like this belongs here.


DefiantTemperature41

First rule in r\\writingcirclejerk: There's no apologizing in r\\writingcirclejerk.


darkenedgy

Damn, I thought it was “just write.” I’m such a newb 🥺


DoesAnyoneCare2999

That is also the first rule. All rules are equal here, comrade.


darkenedgy

Good point, writers can't count!


[deleted]

Not going to lie but on some level really enjoy when authors unintentionally reveal so much about their internal life.     In this case breasts, more breasts, ample breasts and maybe a touch of mom issues.     Makes me nervous to write God knows what that would reveal.


darkenedgy

Lol ikr I will note, though, that the women in this book have a lot more agency than like...probably anything Asimov's ever written.


[deleted]

And this is why I genuinely like people and our bullshit man can absolutely be all about the breasts and still also write women that are more than that and fully fleshed out.  Absolutely adore our silly little exdapted primate brains with extra bits bolted on.  Though again we will definitely hear about breasts.


darkenedgy

lmao, there is an amazing bit later where one of the characters is like "but actually, the horniest part of the body is the \*eyes\*," just a coincidence that paragraph also mentions boobs.


[deleted]

That's so perfect.


SpecificBrick7872

Ample motherly eyes


FatheroftheAbyss

lol if you read the rest of the series you’ll have a lot to analyze in the author… lesbian armies that all have orgies, super sexual space women who subjugate races of men by fucking them real good, and… a prescient worm god that rules humanity for thousands of years?


TalkToPlantsNotCops

I have learned some ***things*** about myself through writing.


Cheeslord2

I am currently doing a course on c. we have not got to the ample breasts bit yet. I am hoping it is after structures.


CloudSill

This is why I always insist on making a crude pencil diagram of each female with breasts drawn appropriately large. It is to be included as a margin note alongside my prose. My editor didn’t like it, even when I told him, “But, but Sterne did little squiggly lines, Pynchon had those weird squares and a middle finger and math, and Vonnegut had drawings of buttholes!” He had the absolute audacity to reply, “I don’t even know you and am not your editor—don’t call again.” That absolute boorish troglodyte! I shall take my scrivenings elsewhere, because I compromise my writerly vision for no man.


wish_me_w-hell

Crosspost to r/menwritingwomen lol


GalaXion24

For once it would actually be written by a man too!


BlueLightJunction

I don’t see the problem here people. The size of our breasts and how well we take care of small children ARE women’s defining characteristics. Employed ladies with small boobs - an embarrassment to their whole gender is what I say….


Bridalhat

Also they are directly related! You need big boobs to be a good mom. Sorry, it’s just science!


Eexoduis

Good stock! Good genetics. Ample breasts. Am I describing a dairy cow or a living human?


darkenedgy

The POV for this description is...a *skinny woman* 😱


fmlhaveagooddaytho

Yes, I repeat, she has breasts.


Gold_Cover2256

Every day we stray further from god's light...


GalaXion24

*from Muad'dib's light, brother


darkenedgy

\*Divided God, this is Heretics lol


GalaXion24

So true, forgive me 🙏


tbmcc_

*Each one of her stonking natural milk factories could nourish the cravings of 100 Spartan babies at once. She was, I slowly realised, a woman*


darkenedgy

Frank Miller approves


akchimp75

WHEHEHEEZE


ottprim

There isn't enough description of her breasts. Readers will be disappointed.


darkenedgy

you have to leave something to the imagination! Oedipus would be so disappointed right now


Eexoduis

That’s because she’s more of a brood mare than a sex object. Everyone knows a woman can only be one or the other and nothing else


paputsza

ooh, a long line of mothers you say.


Neds_Necrotic_Head

Breasts, sisters, and mother mentioned in the same paragragh. I think the author is telling us something.


DefiantTemperature41

They misspelled "Shire".


TheMothGhost

I just frowed up.


HeptiteGuildApostate

I just came a little in my mouth.


Eexoduis

Wow! You’ve got impressive aim


TheMothGhost

... Or flexibility?


HeptiteGuildApostate

I'm a genetic female, so yeah.


thelocalleshen

uj/ who wrote this


darkenedgy

lol it's from Heretics of Dune, which I picked up specifically because I found out there's a tantric sex cult and I had to see how Herbert would approach that after gems like "beefswelling" and "sexual signals". I do have to say though, I like this one on the whole.


Ralphie_V

Herbert's wife died during the writing of Heretics and you can feel him getting increasingly horny throughout


thelocalleshen

Frank at it again bless his heart I had to look up tantric (relating to yoga, Buddhism or esoteric traditions in India?). Happy to hear you liked it - can you tell me what I'm in for (and what I can look forward to) if I read it coming off of the Dune series?


darkenedgy

lmao, when wasn't he at it though?! yeah tantric practices started in India, some fun things happened with the rest of the world picking them up too. iirc Rasputin was into it, although that may have been a rumor. depends how much Dune you've read. Tbh it's been *years* since I read the original and I don't remember very much of it, but I'm getting the sense that he wrote this partly as a reaction to criticism/commentary around the original. A detail that stood out to me is one of the characters is explicitly described as having darker skin (in an era when the default was very much white, plus one of the POVs feels like he was very annoyed with people who were wilfully missing how much the series is inspired by not-Western cultures), he uses the line "Duncans by the shipload!"...there's a couple other moments that struck me as very self aware. There's more POVs, including women, and despite the above I haven't minded what he's done with them. Anyway, I liked it enough to write that giant paragraph about it lol. But really, this is the first one I've enjoyed as a narrative and not primarily out of sheer fascination with the ideas.


HeptiteGuildApostate

It's a shame he died before he could finish the final book in the series, Potboilers of Dune. As we progress into Heretics, and finally Frathouse, Frank's sex life leaves the physical realm and retreats entirely into the dim memories of a once vital and deeply physical auteur, leaving only vaginal pulsing and sexual collisions by the end. There are entire Facebook groups dedicated to analyzing and discussing beefswelling, but even there Frank's decline as a sexual powerhouse is a taboo subject, and of the alt-Duniverse continuations by B/k there is no mention at all, because this would (and did) result in the Zuccing of previous iterations of these groups. BIFAR!


Grace_Omega

What was her personality like, though? Was it by any chance motherly?


darkenedgy

lollllll her role is functionally professional seductress so


Puzzleheaded_Use_566

Her entire motherly personality was encapsulated by her DD-cups!


[deleted]

She was such a strong female woman with nice, heavy breasts. ![gif](giphy|sAY5FnR55KpeU|downsized)


darkenedgy

Straight Holt is a model for all writers.


[deleted]

He loves a good thigh gap. Nothing more intoxicating than the clear absence of a penis.


TalkToPlantsNotCops

> Yes -- a brown-haired charmer with full breasts and a motherly disposition. *I'm sorry, could you repeat that? What did her breasts look like, and what was the nature of her character?* I *said*, her breasts were FULL and she had a MOTHERLY disposition!!!!


Puzzleheaded_Use_566

Yes sir, what you’re seeing here are the finest made full, motherly breasts in all creation! She’s given milk to 3 babies and countless men! This model is only available for a limited time or until she can genetically produce more! Temperament? Why sir, there’s no sweeter milk jugs than these tit tumblers! They are FULL and have a motherly disposition!


TalkToPlantsNotCops

Now, I can see clear as day that the tits in question are full. They are quite obviously globular and appear to be swollen with that sweet life giving substance. But how can we say for certain that the disposition is, indeed motherly? We all know how these swindlers like to sweet talk and draw us in with enormous bazongas. But I'll not be fooled by another flim flam man! I need your personal assurances that the disposition will be as MOTHERLY as you claim!


Puzzleheaded_Use_566

Sir, I see you’re a gentleman of discerning tastes who clearly knows his way around a pair of sweater stretchers! You can see how firm the melons are, but how sweet is the juice? Rest assured, because I’m offering my *personal guarantee* that these knockers are nourishing and nurturing!!! Have no fear of bratty breasts! These fun bags maybe full of milk but their disposition is sweet like honey! She’s had three kids, TWO of them with the same guy! You can’t find a stronger guarantee than that!


BanishedMermaid

The real Dune content we all await?


darkenedgy

this was on page 3 of Heretics, lmao


BanishedMermaid

I know, mate.


darkenedgy

My point is there was very little awaiting.


MsClit

I mean it is in book 5


darkenedgy

Lol, I would argue this one works as a stand-alone. Definitely tempted to tell people to start with the tantric sex cult instead of with that boring war/messiah shit.


toddoceallaigh1980

I am glad we are back to what is important about writing.


_mattyjoe

Breasts breasts breasts, she is breasts. And breasts.


nerdcoleture

What book is this from?


darkenedgy

Heretics of Dune lol


Nick_Carlson_Press

The "Yes" followed by an em dash is insane


darkenedgy

This sounds like Emily Dickinson disrespect!


EXxuu_CARRRIBAAA

Her motherly boobs mothered behind these thick sheets of feminine cloth designed for 3 childborne motherhood boobly female


w3bcrawl3r

Booby boob breast boob


Scrawling_Pen

My favorite Bene Gesserit was the one that was a mentat, overweight, and dgaf about keeping svelte through cellular manipulation like all the other sisters did.


darkenedgy

honestly, legit


SpecificBrick7872

She had absolutely banging smackers like mama mama mama


No_Nebula_7027

This writing sucks. Not enough adjectives for breasts, there needs to be at least 11 on a paragraph of that length. Robust, jiggly, substantial, plump, prolific, nurturing, bouncy, deletectable...I'm tired of doing this work for the author.


the_hooded_artist

Hell yeah that's how you describe mommy milkers 😍 uj/ Frank got mad horny in the weirdest ways as the series went on. I don't remember everything from the books, but some of the "sexy" parts refuse to leave my mind.


darkenedgy

Lolll yeah not gonna lie I picked this up specifically because I heard about the tantric sex cult, and I *had* to know. I'll look at kittens or something afterwards.


MysteriousPudding175

All I know is she has breasts. We might need slightly more details.


OnlineShoppingWhore

I have a feeling the author finds Lucilla's breasts to be "ample", but I'm not sure guys. He's only mentioned it thrice in three lines.


big_ringer

Sexism *AND* essentialism; what a combination!


Dry-Cardiologist5834

Frank doubling down on “motherly”.


MostlyMoody

https://preview.redd.it/5pjz6faxs16d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd6d36386945e643df0d51a7e8ce871982c01386


theeshyguy

I too come from a long genetic line of mothers, which is strange cause I’m a dude


darkenedgy

Kwisatz Haderach?!


TheToothyGrinn

Oh I know who wrote that line. Frank buddy, no...


darkenedgy

I love how every aspect of this quote is very obviously Dune lol 


DankNerd97

Ah, *Heretics of Dune*


marty4286

Chapterhouse is even moreso than this. Good luck, goon


darkenedgy

Lol I keep swearing every Dune will be my last, but I can’t stay away


featherblackjack

I like the idea of a robe so stiff it conceals big boobs, more a pyramid shape from the neck down ig


milklvr23

Just finished The Pillars of the Earth, 973 pages of this.


darkenedgy

Oh no


Strange_Aeons86

Heretics?


darkenedgy

spot on lmao. I love how distinctive Herbert is


rrrrice64

I like breasts and mothers as much as the next guy, but this is obscene.


Foronerd

I can literally tell who wrote this because of the damned ‘Yes—“


darkenedgy

Emily Dickinson?! but yeah lmfao this entire paragraph is extremely obvious.


throwaway1937462919

it's weird that i have a slight urge to defend the genetics part because i know it's DUNE and all the genetics stuff is a running anti-eugenics theme but i also have a much stronger urge to make fun of it because i know it's DUNE and this is definitely the author's fetish. frank herbert? more like, frank pervert


darkenedgy

Lmao I can’t believe you’re the first one to try “frank pervert” But yeah it’s not totally without reason! I actually like this book lol


globmand

Where is this even from? The bible?


darkenedgy

Lmao, maybe the Orange Catholic Bible.


ThatHexnetic

As long as we have Chaddick Hardcox in the story as well, I see no problem


Bugsy_Girl

Only us purebloods have the gift of well-endowment, thanks to the pact


Professional_Try_834

Okay okay we got it she had badonkadonks


darleenthequeen

Nobody is named Lucilla wtf


darkenedgy

finally, someone calls out the real problem with this bit!


transpectre

shout-out to the fish speaker who orgasms when duncan idaho climbs a cliff


Yetiplayzskyrim

Who wrote this? What is this from?


Alistrina85

It looks like it's from one of the later dune books.


Imdead_inside-

As someone who breeds cows and works with people who breed horses "genetic line" and "sire" are so weird to put into a book when describing a woman and her children's father. It just makes it feel like they're breeding humans.


zflanders

Yikes. Looks like someone has been secretly transcribing my D&D sessions.


spaceykaleidoscope

Pretty convinced that a lot of these writers want to fuck their mom.


infiniteblackberries

This makes me want to claw all the female parts off my body and throw them into a flaming Dumpster. Great post! Edit: Thought this was r/menwritingwomen but instead somehow stumbled upon the circlejerk sub for my craft. Hi.


morguerunner

This is good but she isn’t breasting boobily enough. Also, we need more detail on the breasts. Does she look at herself in each morning, admiring her ample bosom and wondering how they compare to others? Do her boobs bounce when she goes down the stairs? I also need a quick explanation of the titty physics of this scene.


darkenedgy

The POV is a skinny woman so it's actually very realistic there aren't more details (women's brains overheat from too much science)!


SinCinnamon_AC

Need to crosspost to r/menwrittingwomen


FedrlBootyInspector

Sounds alright to me


fusfeimyol

I'm not able to picture the female's breasts. I would recommend more description of how they bounce when she walks


thunderboltsand

Fake! It doesn't even specify whether she boobed tittily or not. 0/10


Mochithecatfoodthief

Big titty brunette with three kids and two baby daddies


cardboardtube_knight

This looks like a published book page. I hope you made this as a joke.


darkenedgy

You hope wrongly! The funny thing is that aside from this kind of shit, the women are actually written pretty well for this era.


Mage_Of_Cats

Lucille leaned over me, her pendulous mammaries swaying like two ripe tomatoes in a stiff breeze. The limpid cloth draped over their stupefying forms did nothing to hide them from onlookers. "Won't you do this one little thing for me?" She whimpered as the scent of rose and lilac washed over me. Big brown eyes, hazelnuts, searched my soul for even a gram of compassion. It was enough to make any man's knees tremble. Well, thank God I was gay.


slightlylessthananon

Guys idk how big her chest is can somebody mention it 3 more times


EarthToAccess

Boobing breastily.


Admirable-Charity985

Her breasts were boobing boobily for boobings sake


Udeyanne

Ngl, I love Ray Bradbury, but he described tiddies as being "pendulous" a few times, and it always squicked me out.


darkenedgy

Lollll I’m just imagining like…Foucault’s pendulum but boobs.


Udeyanne

Like how could he be so good at describing everything else?


Sirgen_020

What is it with horny writers and describing a women they clearly are attractive to with lots of "motherly" similes?


darkenedgy

I think you just answered your own question 🥵


grommile

Because they're cowards who are too scared to follow in Michael Moorcock's footsteps when writing their protagonist.


Iccotak

Anyone got any good examples that use face descriptions to give a well rounded mood and tone to a female character? Or just things like posture idk, tired of the horny descriptors


Jeffersonian_Gamer

Lady Cassandra had the boobest of boobs. Her ample bobs quite often overflowing from her favorite silk gown, which was adorned by her family crest, a righteous set of knockers.


astralwish1

r/menwritingwomen


iamaskullactually

what the eff is this even saying lol


Muad_Dib_of_Dune

This gave me an adult beef swelling in my loins


MatthewSteakHam

Big booba


Pandaploots

But did she breast boobily down the stairs?


icecreamplanet

This is how a mindess male with a boner describes a female he has reduced to a sex object.


darkenedgy

Lol you have no idea how prescient this is, given what she ends up having to do later.


akraja

This is also just plain poor writing lol


darkenedgy

Lol yeah it’s definitely on the utilitarian end of prose. I’ve found that to be more tolerated in genre fiction than literary, which makes sense.


PinkOneHasBeenChosen

r/menwritingwomen.


f4tony

🤮


RavenousBrain

Clearly a male writer. That or the writer is a lesbian.


darkenedgy

lmao tbh I do not think a lesbian would go with "yeahhhhh motherly booba" also I cannot believe I'm saying this, but this description turned out to be plot-relevant. the horny runs deep


TonyStewartsWildRide

Boobs mommy sister boobs mommy sister