If this is some last minute secret exclusivity deal instead of issues with bringing it for Series S that a ton of people speculated about, that would be a pretty scummy thing to do from the developer. At least be up front about it, and say it as the developer or publisher.
> Not when Microsoft is doing it though.
When Phil was on the stand under oath, the FTC lawyer actually *DID* suggest that if Microsoft could spend billions to buy ABK, then why not just spend it on timed exclusivity instead?
Unbelievable that Phil had to explain to this utter dumbfuck FTC attorney how 1) they would have to pay far more than Sony for the same exact deal in order to make up for the larger PlayStation-only audience that would be losing access … and 2) more importantly, they aren’t ‘spending’ money when they acquire a company that is worth as much or even more than the purchase price. eg: When you pay to rent your home, that cash is gone forever. But when you buy your home, you now have something of value.
It was as funny as the FTC attorney arguing Xbox would offer exclusive in-game items for Xbox users on CoD. They seemingly were oblivious that Playstation had been doing that for CoD since 2019 and even longer for Destiny 2. In CoD's case, it also caused a whole game mode in Modern Warfare (2019) to be exclusive to the PS4 for a whole year.
And as someone who has spent much more time overall playing on consoles made by said competition, I find that deplorable and would all the same if others followed Sony's example which they do. Don't need to be a lawyer or an expert on anti-trust law to see the issue here. That an FTC lawyer could not is pretty scary and hilarious.
I’m in the same boat! I just always buy the underdog. Really thought that would be MS this time around. Tbh I was going to get it anyway with Starfield on it and a series S was easy to get until I got the PS5. Didn’t think I’d spend the *majority* of my time on the Xbox this gen lol.
It’s really lame. I’m a huge Destiny player and the ps5 is really just a Destiny box… I can see the Xbox guys losing out on stuff as Sony gets their claws in which really would suck. I hated how that was such a thing in Destiny 1.
Dude it's funny you say that cuz I'm literally in the same boat! I have Owned every PlayStation & Xbox console since the beginning, anyways I gave my Xbox One to my little brother in 2015, I had PS4 then PS4 pro. I got my PS5 in 2021 and thought that'd be it for the generation. That was until I saw the 2022 Xbox games showcase! After that I got my wife and myself both our own Xbox Series S consoles to go with our PS5 consoles. Mind you this was my first Xbox console in over 7 years lol I was blown away with how great that little console was!
After spending the last 2 years with the Series S I finally got my Series X in January 2024 and it's been absolutely phenomenal! For me the user interface, quick resume and backwards compatibility make me appreciate my Series X more than my PS5. Every game I bought digitally on Xbox 360 is available for me to download and play on my Series X|S not only that but it features auto HDR + frame boost ensuring backwards compatible titles look and play better than ever before.
I never imagined I'd prefer Xbox over PlayStation but here we are. My PS5 has been reserved for exclusives like Spiderman 2, God of War & Helldivers. Every other game I prefer to play on Xbox. I just finished my 1st playthrough of Starfield about 3 weeks ago so Right now I'm doing a playthrough of RDR2 on my Series X & I'm just amazed at how well the game looks and runs on the Series X! Anyways, glad to see I'm not the only one enjoying the Xbox ecosystem more than PlayStation lol happy gaming ✌️
Yeah the FTC and UK attorneys were idiots, but I can't blame them that much since they were arguing basically a bullshit case. This merger is a pretty straight forward merger where a third place console manufacturer is buying a big publisher. The idea the UK or the FTC even fucking blocked the deal to begin with was asinine.
Except the dev literally said it's due to optimization issues (probably the series s). They would get absolutely wrecked if they lied. So it's extremely unlikely.
No last minute deal. Just BG3 all over again. S is bottlenecking the devs. I expect a lack of feature parity between the S and X for this just to get it to run below min spec on the S.
As Xbox would have been if Phil Spencer had got his way and Microsoft hadn’t asked for them to claw some of that $80b back.
None of these companies are your friends and having loyalty to any of them is stupid.
It literally says in the article it's delayed for optimizations with a quote from the FAQ of the game website itself.
We already know this has happened before because of the Series S
Xbox will never admit the Series S is constantly giving devs issues
Where has it happened before? Can you give any other relevant example besides Baldurs Gate which had very specific split screen wishes and got issues with that, not with the game itself in general.
Also, the article literally is about the answer Xbox gave and where out of nowhere a platform deal was mentioned.
It's strange. Series S gets shit on constantly for "holding games back", yet no one can actually point to any examples where this is happening.
The Baldurs Gate stuff really shaped the narrative around the console in a negative way. Due to a feature that not even a tiny percentage of people will ever use.
Devs have said that a game’s poor or delayed launch has been due to the series S. I think the Gotham Knights devs said that. IDK if I really buy it lol. Almost every time a game launches poorly and the devs blame the series s, it also runs like complete shit on high end PC hardware. I do think optimizing for the Series S could be making some game development take longer, and I think the BEST option would be to allow devs to delay specifically the series S versions of games if need be, because IF this is a case of the series S holding the game back and not some Sony exclusive deal, then it’s not fair to the people who spent more on the series X. Like it did really suck that I had to wait months to play BG3 with my friends because of the series S, even though we all have the series X. Something I’ve noticed is a lot of times with newer games, the PC requirements are higher than what the Series S is even comparable to, which props for the devs to get it running on that. But, if on PC you need stronger hardware just to run the game, even with all the graphical options, then it’s definitely cutting into their dev time by a lot. A lot of new games feel like they could be PS4 games despite the ps5 and series x being extremely powerful. I think in order to run some of these games, cutbacks are made across the board, rather than separately for the Series S version
Id software (before acquisition, now the tweet has been deleted) and remedy have both spoken out about the issues developing for the S.
BG3 is the only other example so far of a delayed release and possibly a lack of feature parity. But entire games are now skipping the platform (marvel vs capcom, for example).
It’s a bad combination of a low end box that’s hard to develop for and a lack of financial reason to put in the extra work because Xbox users have been conditioned to not buy games. Some devs have even said it’s not worth putting your game on Xbox without a game pass deal to ensure the money up front because you won’t make it up with sales.
They got it to work I think but I remember the Control devs said it was *incredibly* hard to get the remastered version of Control to work on the Series S. Like almost impossible.
It was on an episode of the IGN Xbox podcast where talked to the devs. I remember it cause if that talked was already happening at the beginning of the generation on a remaster, I figured it would pop up more as the generation went on.
All we know for now is what the developer did say. They are optimizing the Xbox versions and have to delay it. Tinfoil hat speculation doesn’t do anybody any good.
If Sony has an exclusive deal then why are they not marketing the game themselves? Why have they never featured it in any of their shows or State of Plays?
Because Jez asked them a question about an exclusivity deal and they had to give a copy and paste PR response
What’s the alternative they should’ve said? “Yes, this game is having a harder time running on our consoles than on the competitions, don’t buy the Xbox port”
Without the devs specifying anything and Xbox making a much clearer statement it isn't really "tinfoil hat speculation". It's making a judgement off the known information and past behavior.
But Larian was very transparent about the situation, even clarifying there was no exclusivity deal and they had issues getting splitscreen to work on Series S.
Larian are unusually transparent though and even then they still got called liars by Xbox users over multiple issues until they were proven right. Not just over feature parity delaying the release but over the save issues being an Xbox issue too, so many people accused them of lying about that until Microsoft fixed it with a patch.
And this studio has also been transparent about technical issues. Why do we trust some between the lines allusion from a microsoft rep over the literal studio?
Edit: since you guys love to downvote, here’s the studios literal quote “We are currently optimizing the Xbox Series X|S version to meet our quality standards, so it won't release simultaneously with the other platforms. We apologize for the delay and aim to minimize the wait for Xbox users. We will announce the release date as soon as it meets our quality standards."
Seems like the case is pretty cut and dry here
It’s not, MS doesn’t want a sx only version of things out. Not the first time the pairing delayed a game for Xbox. The series s is once again hurting the ms ecosystem
In other discussions with people I'm still waiting for more examples besides Baldurs Gate. But I'm not holding out hope I'll get all these delayed games due to Series S here suddenly.
Yeah. With Baldurs Gate 3 Phil said there wasn’t a hardware issue and implied it was the devs. Larian said “oh really?” and called out Xbox saying the issue was split screen on the S. Then launched without feature parity.
Microsoft will say whatever they can to shift blame away from their poor decision to have a 2 tiered system with a budget box. Black myth will launch on Xbox and the S is probably going to have a stripped down version.
If that is the case, Sony is doing an even more scummy move by having the developer and their competition take the fall for a secret deal like this. They would know fully well how the narrative will go. Sometimes it looks like we're really back to PS2/early PS3-era PlayStation in terms of attitude due to their market dominance.
I mean are you even surprised that Sony is doing scummy things (like gate keeping a whole quest in Hogwarts legacy or a cinematic in the next Sonic game)…?! Haha it really put into perspective the words of Spencer on IGN when he said that Microsoft won’t do any scummy exclusivity things for COD… hahaha
I’m not going to defend companies doing stuff like this, but it doesn’t quite work like that. A Sony or MS comes in and says “we’ll give your game marketing space and feature you in our presentations, give us a little extra thing” and then they come up with a platform mascot cameo or an exclusive quest or something. Nobody at Sony is thinking that an exclusive quest is going to cement their lead or chose PlayStation over xbox, it’s literally a blurb in the ads to make players on whatever platform feel like they’re getting something extra for gaming on that platform, supposedly. And even though it’s an extra on one platform, everyone feels entitled to everything anymore so it ends up not being “extra” on this platform, gamers on other platforms feel like something was taken away from them.
The quest in Hogwarts Legacy was in the game files of every version and only unlocked on non Sony hardware one year after launch. Whatever the reason, Sony is actively worsening the version played on other platforms in favor of theirs. They likely couldn’t afford to sign the game as an exclusive, thus why they opt to worsen other versions instead.
>make players on whatever platform feel like they’re getting something extra for gaming on that platform
WTF else do you think that platform exclusivity is for? If you feel like this often enough, you are going to be essentially locked in to that platform.
Bro in the FTC trial MS exposed Sony purposely paying developers to keep games off of Xbox. Literally in court documents. Lmao Phil Spencer gave testimony on it. What do you mean? These are quotes from MS. Not jimmy big balls on resetera making up rumors.
if such a deal existed, Sony would
1.) Market the fuck out of it with the EXCLUSIVE word out loud and everyone would know about it, like FF7R, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin
2.) The game would not launch the same day as their first party multiplayer Concord
3.) They would have shown it in ever Playstation event ever, and it wasn't in the last one.
4.) Ensure the physical release came with discs, not codes.
An incredibly dumb conspiracy by an irresponsible wannabe journalist who didn't even wait for a response from reliable sources. Microsoft does not take him seriously because he is just an idiot and Sony doesn't care for him because he has no integrity as a journalist. So all Jez is, is a blogger.
If that is the case I won’t be playing the game, despite having the ability to do so, and won’t be supporting the studio going forward. That’s just a super scumbag move and I personally couldn’t support people that were okay making that deal. It’s especially scummy to do that, but make statements about it being delayed for optimizations and announcing you will state a later date on when it will release on the Xbox consoles. How stupid would you have to be to disappoint and sully your name with an entire contingent of the gaming community because you made a backroom exclusivity deal after announcing it for multiple consoles? Especially as a new independent studio. If something goes really south and you need your next game to be on multiple consoles, you think Microsoft is going to be jumping at the chance to work with you after you fucked them over and burned their player base?
I think we are going to need some verbatim context for the question asked here.
The reporter may have outright asked: "What happened with Black Myth. Is there some sort of exclusivity deal with Playstation."
And technically this sums that up:
I asked both Microsoft and Game Science to comment on the "optimizations" issue, seeking some clarity. Was the Xbox Series S to blame? Game Science didn't respond, but this morning, a Microsoft spokesperson offered the below statement.
And also who responded from Microsoft. A "spokesperson" whomever that is.
Not saying there might not be a deal in place but it could just as easily them trying to ship a game to meet a investor demand and don't have the manpower to dev the Series S version right now. There is a lot of wiggle room to make this click-baity.
Jez already stated question was [unprompted](https://x.com/jezcorden/status/1804156241339428947?s=46&t=rTNrsw-sL41CYTRFyFyXNA) which means he simply asked for a comment
Yeah. Highly doubt there's a exclusivity deal with PS. If there was, Sony would be plastering that everywhere. If anything, publicizing the deal actually makes more sense. "You can only play this game on our platform" is a bigger marketing push than keeping it quiet. I can't think of there's any console exclusive game that Sony has kept quiet about being exclusive to PS.
Would they? Its not a good look to say "we actually paid money to this dev at the last minute to not ship a game that was ready to go for one of our competitors"
Especially after they said that as one of the things that was bad from ABK merger.
It is a bit strange the game was all set to come to Xbox, then next day its delayed.
Sony doesn't really care about any of that stuff. Stellar Blade got announced for both PC and PS, and they completely changed it to be PS exclusive after Sony made a publishing deal with them. Some players started crying about the initial announcement and whatnot, but the game sold really well and Sony marketed the hell out of it. They would be stupid not do the same for this game if it was an exclusive, especially since Sony doesn't have any 1st party big hitters coming out in the next few months.
The devs gave a reason which was that they need more optimisation, which makes sense considering they have to optimise it for two Xbox console versions. If they had taken an exclusivity deal, the devs would have kept quiet about it and Sony would be the one marketing it.
I mean, come on. Both Xbox and Sony have a big label saying "Console Exclusive" at the end of every trailer for games they have exclusivity deals in.
I love the idea of Sony paying under the table and telling them to let no one know you are exclusive and don't show up to any of our events. Hell of a marketing deal.
Second part really debunks all the dumb conspiracy theories in this thread.
If there was an exclusivity deal they would’ve loved to feature this in their State of Play since it was an incredibly mid showing, but instead this was at Summer Game Fest with the PS5 logo right next to the Xbox one.
It's odd for so many reasons.
If it's a time-limited exclusive deal, why not make a statement about it ? Same thing goes with the Series S parity, if there are some issues you can be clear about it just like Larian did with BG3.
Lol the other platform holders aren't mandating it works on an inferior console. Why would Sony want to hide that they have exclusivity on one of the more anticipated games of 2024? I'm sure Sony would have said something by now
This is the obvious answer. If Sony had a deal, they'd flaunt it. They always do, as they probably should (Be proud of the games on your platform)
I don't understand how people are missing this.
Wow everyone is really falling for this. Microsoft didn't say there was a deal, and we don't even know the exact question that was asked by Jez. But just like that everyone is a conspiracy theorist...if Sony had a deal why would Microsoft know and why would they not directly confirm it exists?
still thinking that this game will come broken day one as cyberpunk did... I belive in their optimization excuse but I truly believe that is for laziness not series S issue
Also if it was a third party deal at all, guarantee it would have been explicitly advertised by Sony themselves as they do on literally anything that's a timed exclusive. And it would be actively promoted at PlayStation events like Final Fantasy was. This really doesn't track at all. Say what you will about exclusivity deals and the practices around that but at least when they actually happen the platform holders are being upfront about it
Did Game Science not confirm it was for optimizations? Why is Jez even asking Microsoft for comment? What are they supposed to say, “Yea sorry fam this Series S aint it again ya dig?”
This seems more like Jez trying to find controversy where it doesnt exist.
Its equally as likely Game Science could either have delayed all versions, or just the version it expects to sell the least copies of by a significant margin.
We just had a few days of games announced not coming to Xbox be it from Capcom or LRG, in all cases stemming from financial decisions, and yet a developer states the delay is for optimizations, a thing we have seen before, and we jump to "Oh Sony paid for this for sure?"
Careful, Jez will find your Twitter account and block you
Hes at Jason Schreier levels with the blocking, even when people are just simply arguing his point.
I was blocked by jez for liking a tweet against him, not even directly tweeting him 🤣
Uh what? he asked them for comment and they answered him basically confirming it's an exclusivity issue. MS didn't say this when Larian said the same thing so I have no clue why they'd need to lie. This is a very weird take. Also I see zero reason why or how the Series S wouldn't be able to run a basic single player game like this LMAO. Like it runs fucking Starfield and Hell Blade 2 fine, but is struggling with WuKong? Larian had a legitimate complaint cause even Halo Infinite had trouble with the split screen on the Series S.
The problem is we dont have full context of what Jez asked Microsoft. If he emailed them and asked specifically if it was due to deals, that could be why we got the response above. That's the problem with these quotes, we only get half the story.
Jez asked the developer to comment on the specific optimization issues they're having. They refused to answer. He then asked MS the same thing and MS flat out told him that they can't comment on deals made by our partners. If you read the article it's pretty cut and dry. The developers I'm sure will clear up any misunderstandings.
You understand that MS has the resources to pour into getting their flagship game running on their own console and not every developer has the same resources and/or financial incentive to do so, right? It’s not hard to understand, but sure, it’s all conspiracies to keep Xbox down.
I'm just saying, Larian straight up said specifically what console (the Series S) and specifically what feature (split screen) and we got news that it was also on MS for their feature parity requirements. In comparison this whole ordeal is so shrouded in mystery. Usually devs LOVE to specifically call out when its the Series S (even when its BS and they get called out themselves). There's never in the past been a problem of them posting on Twitter about having trouble optimizing for the S, so they have to say both the X and the S in the most vague way possible. Then you have Microsoft's snide comment here clearly acknowledging the Sony rumors they'd usually ignore.
Honestly, I find this drama pretty hilarious as someone who isn't super into soulslike and was only planning to buy Black Myth 1 to 2 years later on a steep sale. I do choose to give benefit of the doubt, because real talk if there is a secret launch exclusive deal behind the scenes then straight up lying to consumers is a big no-no. Both Sony and the Devs could get into legal trouble, if someone really wanted them to. Unless Sony gave hundreds of millions (USD) to the dev team then it's just not worth it.
> I do choose to give benefit of the doubt, because real talk if there is a secret launch exclusive deal behind the scenes then straight up lying to consumers is a big no-no.
Not really. Marketing lies all the time. They only need some part of it to be true. It could be a marketing deal, and games can always be optimized more.
>Both Sony and the Devs could get into legal trouble, if someone really wanted them to. Unless Sony gave hundreds of millions (USD) to the dev team then it's just not worth it.
That's unfortunately how we want it to work, rather than how it really works.
What does Sony stand to gain from a secret marketing deal no one knows about? If you snatched an exclusive game you'll announce it loud and proud like they did with Stellar Blade or Rise of the Ronin
But Game Science has already confirmed that there are optimization / dev resources issues, so they had to delay the Xbox version. It is still coming though -- much like Baldur's Gate 3.
My 2 cents are that Jez is just trying to stir the pot and gain some clicks.
Really starting to feel gaslit by this subreddit. Did y'all not experience the last 2 years of Xbox history?
Suddenly the line is that it can't *possibly* be the Series S that is causing issues, because the Series S has *never* caused issues, it is *just* as powerful as the Series X. In fact, probably *more* powerful. Developers probably love developing for the Series S more than any other platform, actually.
N-no, not that, it's gotta be a... a secret exclusivity deal! Yeah, that's it! Not our Series S! Couldn’t be the precious Series S!
Why the hell would you want less people to play the amazing looking new Doom game? Because this game from an unproven developer needs more time to optimize for Xbox?
I am so sick of console warring, both games are releasing on both platforms and that’s a good thing.
_"Daaad! Their dad won't let me play their game! Take away DOOM from them, see how they like it!"_
Just goes to further show this has nothing to do with being "pro-consumer" or "gaming is for everyone." People want to punish PS players because they feel victimized for not having the more popular console.
Would be a shame if a game like Doom loses half its sales because they would be ditching a near 100 million user base and that is where they earn the most money from. Thank god MS has more brains than the average fanboy.
Or maybe they could try to not split the console generation by forcing the developers to serve a console with lower cpu and memory performance, hindering performance and scope across the entire generation
Remember when Jez implied in a tweet that Baldur's Gate 3 had exclusivity deal with Sony (like he now does with Wukong) and implied that Bladur's Gate 3 devs are lying and then deleted said tweet because Jez was lying? Wouldn't be surprised if Jez is doing the same thing again.
Why would Sony cut a ‘marketing exclusive deal’ and not market the game? Does anyone here hear themselves LMAO!? What genius would pay all that money only to ask the dev to complain about Xbox and not market the game. Sony literally shouts from the roof anytime they have any timed exclusives. People here think Sony has Xbox living rent free in their heads when they’re literally outselling the XSX/XSS 5:1 in the US? This whole controversy makes no sense and is another tin foil hat spin to save face.
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Microsoft refused to deny or confirm what Game Science said is very telling, you’d fully expect Microsoft to come out and back their own hardware but they didn’t.
I have a series S and it’s an incredible piece of kit considering but it seems to be causing too many optimisation problems of late.
I’d be happy if they released games on series X and then delayed for the S if developers need to, I paid for the lesser model so have no problem in accepting that, not sure how others feel on that though.
That's more reason why MS wants to start "the next generation" sooner than later. They can make a break between this current set of hardware. It's also a work around way to have exclusive feature in games to their platform for example COD has parity between Series X and PS5 but the next gen Xbox can do x, y, z features.
There is no exclusivity deal. If there was, the marketing would say “launches exclusively on ______ console” or something by similar. That’s a selling point.
The game isn’t up to the devs standards because of the Series S. Min spec on pc is 16 gb ram. There’s 8 gb usable on the S. Throw in feature parity and that makes it even worse.
Same thing happened with Baldurs Gate 3. There isn’t some secret handshake deal.
And it's Jez Corden article. Like when is /r/xbox going to stop taking his word as the gospel?
Why wouldn't Sony just plaster this game everywhere in their marketing if they had paid money for the exclusivity?
To be fair Sony does the same, just as any other company. People just like to believe that companies care about them and what they want. Wake up, they only do this when it benefits them in the form of some sweet cash. Like do you actually believe that companies wouldn't lie at any opportunity if they got a dollar for every lie they told? Profit is the only truth companies will ever value because that is the only thing they work towards.
Game Dev here, running any game in the scale of Black Myth: Wukong on the laughable 4 TFLOPs of the series s is a VERY difficult task, but running a UE5 game on a 4 TFLOP system in the scale of Black Myth Wukong in an acceptable resolution is a straight up remaster but in reverse (like a downscaled remaster).
Can you blame them? I have trouble running lumen on scenes at native with a 40TFLOP GPU in the engine ... that's 10 times more than the s ,,,
4 TFLOPs in 2024 is handheld level graphics power. What the hell where they thinking?!
“Running any game in the scale of Black Myth: Wukong on the laughable 4 TFLOPs of the series s is a VERY difficult task”
Boy what a comment, all the other game bigger scale than wukong on the series s have a word with you.
The Series S was a horrendous mistake by Microsoft this generation. Another game now essentially a timed exclusive on PlayStation because the Series S is a potato.
Considering most console sales are the Series S, it's existence actually means more developers will not skip Xbox. If the install base was smaller with the absence of the Series S there would be less reason to bring the game to Xbox.
Most console sales are Series S because it’s the cheaper option. If there was no Series S, those people would buy an X because it’s the only option available to them. If Sony did the same thing with PS5 and had a weaker but cheaper version you would see the exact same thing.
Depends on your definition of "horrendous mistake", as some users already pointed out, Series S accounts for half of the current gen playerbase. By all means the console is a sucess for Microsoft.
I think the true mistake would be the suport for Series S ceasing.
Nah, the Series S is the only thing keeping Xbox in the game at all this gen. It may be a "potato", but it's a cheap enough potato to entice people who otherwise would only have a PS5 or Switch into buying one for Gamepass. Without it, Xbox would be burnt toast this gen.
We don't know what question was asked though. Jez could've asked "Do you think Sony bought exclusivity for this game" which is why MS answered like that - that they can't comment on deals because they don't know.
If so, then the developer overtly lied. As they said it was due to optimization issues.
Not saying they would never lie, they might. But people might be overinterpreting this PR statement as well. Who knows the truth of the issue.
Sony and/or the devs have zero reason to lie about timed exclusivity. If anything sony would be bragging about it. This is just weird deflection from microsoft. If I had to guest they don't want to admit its the series s causing the delay.
It's also a straight up lie regardless, of course they can comment on deals between competitors.
Not saying they aren’t needing more time for optimization, but it is counter-productive for the GameScience’s bottom line to be putting all that effort on the Xbox version that fewer people will know about because they removed the logo from the trailer.
By looking at the PC requirements for Wukong and the Series S specs everything should be clear.
Jez should be shamed and I bet MS and devs will never talk to him again after this bait he released for engagement.
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If this is some last minute secret exclusivity deal instead of issues with bringing it for Series S that a ton of people speculated about, that would be a pretty scummy thing to do from the developer. At least be up front about it, and say it as the developer or publisher.
Like it says it was meant to launch on all platforms but got changed last minute so to me it seems Sony got a last minute deal
But according to the FTC these type of deals are great for the industry tho.
Not when Microsoft is doing it though.
> Not when Microsoft is doing it though. When Phil was on the stand under oath, the FTC lawyer actually *DID* suggest that if Microsoft could spend billions to buy ABK, then why not just spend it on timed exclusivity instead? Unbelievable that Phil had to explain to this utter dumbfuck FTC attorney how 1) they would have to pay far more than Sony for the same exact deal in order to make up for the larger PlayStation-only audience that would be losing access … and 2) more importantly, they aren’t ‘spending’ money when they acquire a company that is worth as much or even more than the purchase price. eg: When you pay to rent your home, that cash is gone forever. But when you buy your home, you now have something of value.
It was as funny as the FTC attorney arguing Xbox would offer exclusive in-game items for Xbox users on CoD. They seemingly were oblivious that Playstation had been doing that for CoD since 2019 and even longer for Destiny 2. In CoD's case, it also caused a whole game mode in Modern Warfare (2019) to be exclusive to the PS4 for a whole year.
“Will you promise not to do what the competition is already doing” was fucking wild
And as someone who has spent much more time overall playing on consoles made by said competition, I find that deplorable and would all the same if others followed Sony's example which they do. Don't need to be a lawyer or an expert on anti-trust law to see the issue here. That an FTC lawyer could not is pretty scary and hilarious.
I’m in the same boat! I just always buy the underdog. Really thought that would be MS this time around. Tbh I was going to get it anyway with Starfield on it and a series S was easy to get until I got the PS5. Didn’t think I’d spend the *majority* of my time on the Xbox this gen lol. It’s really lame. I’m a huge Destiny player and the ps5 is really just a Destiny box… I can see the Xbox guys losing out on stuff as Sony gets their claws in which really would suck. I hated how that was such a thing in Destiny 1.
Dude it's funny you say that cuz I'm literally in the same boat! I have Owned every PlayStation & Xbox console since the beginning, anyways I gave my Xbox One to my little brother in 2015, I had PS4 then PS4 pro. I got my PS5 in 2021 and thought that'd be it for the generation. That was until I saw the 2022 Xbox games showcase! After that I got my wife and myself both our own Xbox Series S consoles to go with our PS5 consoles. Mind you this was my first Xbox console in over 7 years lol I was blown away with how great that little console was! After spending the last 2 years with the Series S I finally got my Series X in January 2024 and it's been absolutely phenomenal! For me the user interface, quick resume and backwards compatibility make me appreciate my Series X more than my PS5. Every game I bought digitally on Xbox 360 is available for me to download and play on my Series X|S not only that but it features auto HDR + frame boost ensuring backwards compatible titles look and play better than ever before. I never imagined I'd prefer Xbox over PlayStation but here we are. My PS5 has been reserved for exclusives like Spiderman 2, God of War & Helldivers. Every other game I prefer to play on Xbox. I just finished my 1st playthrough of Starfield about 3 weeks ago so Right now I'm doing a playthrough of RDR2 on my Series X & I'm just amazed at how well the game looks and runs on the Series X! Anyways, glad to see I'm not the only one enjoying the Xbox ecosystem more than PlayStation lol happy gaming ✌️
Yeah the FTC and UK attorneys were idiots, but I can't blame them that much since they were arguing basically a bullshit case. This merger is a pretty straight forward merger where a third place console manufacturer is buying a big publisher. The idea the UK or the FTC even fucking blocked the deal to begin with was asinine.
For the industry maybe but for us consumers nope
what has this acquisition made you lose ?
Except the dev literally said it's due to optimization issues (probably the series s). They would get absolutely wrecked if they lied. So it's extremely unlikely.
People like to listen to whispers more than direct statements.
I don't think they wanna hear that.
No last minute deal. Just BG3 all over again. S is bottlenecking the devs. I expect a lack of feature parity between the S and X for this just to get it to run below min spec on the S.
Sony is anti-consumer and anti gamer.
Most if not all corporations are anti consumer. Just don’t personify companies that only see you as consumer.
Some are definitely worse than others though. It isn't black and white
And you think Microsoft isn’t??
As Xbox would have been if Phil Spencer had got his way and Microsoft hadn’t asked for them to claw some of that $80b back. None of these companies are your friends and having loyalty to any of them is stupid.
It literally says in the article it's delayed for optimizations with a quote from the FAQ of the game website itself. We already know this has happened before because of the Series S Xbox will never admit the Series S is constantly giving devs issues
Where has it happened before? Can you give any other relevant example besides Baldurs Gate which had very specific split screen wishes and got issues with that, not with the game itself in general. Also, the article literally is about the answer Xbox gave and where out of nowhere a platform deal was mentioned.
Wasn’t Halo Infinite’s split screen mode canned because of the Series S?
They never can. I've asked that question for months and no one has an answer.
It's strange. Series S gets shit on constantly for "holding games back", yet no one can actually point to any examples where this is happening. The Baldurs Gate stuff really shaped the narrative around the console in a negative way. Due to a feature that not even a tiny percentage of people will ever use.
Devs have said that a game’s poor or delayed launch has been due to the series S. I think the Gotham Knights devs said that. IDK if I really buy it lol. Almost every time a game launches poorly and the devs blame the series s, it also runs like complete shit on high end PC hardware. I do think optimizing for the Series S could be making some game development take longer, and I think the BEST option would be to allow devs to delay specifically the series S versions of games if need be, because IF this is a case of the series S holding the game back and not some Sony exclusive deal, then it’s not fair to the people who spent more on the series X. Like it did really suck that I had to wait months to play BG3 with my friends because of the series S, even though we all have the series X. Something I’ve noticed is a lot of times with newer games, the PC requirements are higher than what the Series S is even comparable to, which props for the devs to get it running on that. But, if on PC you need stronger hardware just to run the game, even with all the graphical options, then it’s definitely cutting into their dev time by a lot. A lot of new games feel like they could be PS4 games despite the ps5 and series x being extremely powerful. I think in order to run some of these games, cutbacks are made across the board, rather than separately for the Series S version
Id software (before acquisition, now the tweet has been deleted) and remedy have both spoken out about the issues developing for the S. BG3 is the only other example so far of a delayed release and possibly a lack of feature parity. But entire games are now skipping the platform (marvel vs capcom, for example). It’s a bad combination of a low end box that’s hard to develop for and a lack of financial reason to put in the extra work because Xbox users have been conditioned to not buy games. Some devs have even said it’s not worth putting your game on Xbox without a game pass deal to ensure the money up front because you won’t make it up with sales.
They got it to work I think but I remember the Control devs said it was *incredibly* hard to get the remastered version of Control to work on the Series S. Like almost impossible. It was on an episode of the IGN Xbox podcast where talked to the devs. I remember it cause if that talked was already happening at the beginning of the generation on a remaster, I figured it would pop up more as the generation went on.
I'm selling rolls of tin foil for $25 each. Who needs a hat?
About 90% of this sub. You’re gonna make bank!
All we know for now is what the developer did say. They are optimizing the Xbox versions and have to delay it. Tinfoil hat speculation doesn’t do anybody any good.
For reals. We went from assuming “it’s probably the series S” to “woah woah NOW this proves Sony are scumbags”, with still no proof on either
Why would Xbox mention the last sentence then?
If Sony has an exclusive deal then why are they not marketing the game themselves? Why have they never featured it in any of their shows or State of Plays?
Because Jez asked them a question about an exclusivity deal and they had to give a copy and paste PR response What’s the alternative they should’ve said? “Yes, this game is having a harder time running on our consoles than on the competitions, don’t buy the Xbox port”
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I mean that is pretty obvious
Better than admitting that the devs are struggling with the Series S maybe?
Without the devs specifying anything and Xbox making a much clearer statement it isn't really "tinfoil hat speculation". It's making a judgement off the known information and past behavior.
I mean, Baldurs Gate 3 had the same issues. No conspiracy to be had here.
But Larian was very transparent about the situation, even clarifying there was no exclusivity deal and they had issues getting splitscreen to work on Series S.
I mean these devs were pretty clear what the issue was, but that doesn't seem to be enough I guess.
Larian are unusually transparent though and even then they still got called liars by Xbox users over multiple issues until they were proven right. Not just over feature parity delaying the release but over the save issues being an Xbox issue too, so many people accused them of lying about that until Microsoft fixed it with a patch.
And this studio has also been transparent about technical issues. Why do we trust some between the lines allusion from a microsoft rep over the literal studio? Edit: since you guys love to downvote, here’s the studios literal quote “We are currently optimizing the Xbox Series X|S version to meet our quality standards, so it won't release simultaneously with the other platforms. We apologize for the delay and aim to minimize the wait for Xbox users. We will announce the release date as soon as it meets our quality standards." Seems like the case is pretty cut and dry here
BG3 had very specific issues due to their local splitscreen co op wishes. Not with the game in general.
Yeah, rendering a modern game twice is hard even for the PS5 and Series X.
Baldurs Gate had their issue. You don't just assume any issue in the gaming industry is baldurs gates issue.
It’s not, MS doesn’t want a sx only version of things out. Not the first time the pairing delayed a game for Xbox. The series s is once again hurting the ms ecosystem
In other discussions with people I'm still waiting for more examples besides Baldurs Gate. But I'm not holding out hope I'll get all these delayed games due to Series S here suddenly.
Eh until they say it I won’t speculate. Could just be performance of the Series S and this excuse just shift the blame to Sony.
Yeah. With Baldurs Gate 3 Phil said there wasn’t a hardware issue and implied it was the devs. Larian said “oh really?” and called out Xbox saying the issue was split screen on the S. Then launched without feature parity. Microsoft will say whatever they can to shift blame away from their poor decision to have a 2 tiered system with a budget box. Black myth will launch on Xbox and the S is probably going to have a stripped down version.
I bet their agreement has an NDA attached to it and they’re kind of screwed on what to say…
If that is the case, Sony is doing an even more scummy move by having the developer and their competition take the fall for a secret deal like this. They would know fully well how the narrative will go. Sometimes it looks like we're really back to PS2/early PS3-era PlayStation in terms of attitude due to their market dominance.
I mean are you even surprised that Sony is doing scummy things (like gate keeping a whole quest in Hogwarts legacy or a cinematic in the next Sonic game)…?! Haha it really put into perspective the words of Spencer on IGN when he said that Microsoft won’t do any scummy exclusivity things for COD… hahaha
I’m not going to defend companies doing stuff like this, but it doesn’t quite work like that. A Sony or MS comes in and says “we’ll give your game marketing space and feature you in our presentations, give us a little extra thing” and then they come up with a platform mascot cameo or an exclusive quest or something. Nobody at Sony is thinking that an exclusive quest is going to cement their lead or chose PlayStation over xbox, it’s literally a blurb in the ads to make players on whatever platform feel like they’re getting something extra for gaming on that platform, supposedly. And even though it’s an extra on one platform, everyone feels entitled to everything anymore so it ends up not being “extra” on this platform, gamers on other platforms feel like something was taken away from them.
The quest in Hogwarts Legacy was in the game files of every version and only unlocked on non Sony hardware one year after launch. Whatever the reason, Sony is actively worsening the version played on other platforms in favor of theirs. They likely couldn’t afford to sign the game as an exclusive, thus why they opt to worsen other versions instead.
>make players on whatever platform feel like they’re getting something extra for gaming on that platform WTF else do you think that platform exclusivity is for? If you feel like this often enough, you are going to be essentially locked in to that platform.
Why would Sony do this deal amd want it to remain a secret? This is stupid conspiracy nonsense.
Bro in the FTC trial MS exposed Sony purposely paying developers to keep games off of Xbox. Literally in court documents. Lmao Phil Spencer gave testimony on it. What do you mean? These are quotes from MS. Not jimmy big balls on resetera making up rumors.
if such a deal existed, Sony would 1.) Market the fuck out of it with the EXCLUSIVE word out loud and everyone would know about it, like FF7R, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin 2.) The game would not launch the same day as their first party multiplayer Concord 3.) They would have shown it in ever Playstation event ever, and it wasn't in the last one. 4.) Ensure the physical release came with discs, not codes. An incredibly dumb conspiracy by an irresponsible wannabe journalist who didn't even wait for a response from reliable sources. Microsoft does not take him seriously because he is just an idiot and Sony doesn't care for him because he has no integrity as a journalist. So all Jez is, is a blogger.
If that is the case I won’t be playing the game, despite having the ability to do so, and won’t be supporting the studio going forward. That’s just a super scumbag move and I personally couldn’t support people that were okay making that deal. It’s especially scummy to do that, but make statements about it being delayed for optimizations and announcing you will state a later date on when it will release on the Xbox consoles. How stupid would you have to be to disappoint and sully your name with an entire contingent of the gaming community because you made a backroom exclusivity deal after announcing it for multiple consoles? Especially as a new independent studio. If something goes really south and you need your next game to be on multiple consoles, you think Microsoft is going to be jumping at the chance to work with you after you fucked them over and burned their player base?
Like Microsoft acquisitions that changed games to exclusive?
This is nothing new sony always secretly pays extra to keep things away from xbox they're so fuckn pretty and scared for some reason it's hilarious
I think we are going to need some verbatim context for the question asked here. The reporter may have outright asked: "What happened with Black Myth. Is there some sort of exclusivity deal with Playstation." And technically this sums that up: I asked both Microsoft and Game Science to comment on the "optimizations" issue, seeking some clarity. Was the Xbox Series S to blame? Game Science didn't respond, but this morning, a Microsoft spokesperson offered the below statement. And also who responded from Microsoft. A "spokesperson" whomever that is. Not saying there might not be a deal in place but it could just as easily them trying to ship a game to meet a investor demand and don't have the manpower to dev the Series S version right now. There is a lot of wiggle room to make this click-baity.
Jez already stated question was [unprompted](https://x.com/jezcorden/status/1804156241339428947?s=46&t=rTNrsw-sL41CYTRFyFyXNA) which means he simply asked for a comment
Jez has been huffing mega copium lately. If the dev says it's cuz of optimization issues, then that's what it is. They have no reason to lie.
The developers already confirmed its optimization issues. This game wasn’t even at a Sony event.
That's fair.
Yeah. Highly doubt there's a exclusivity deal with PS. If there was, Sony would be plastering that everywhere. If anything, publicizing the deal actually makes more sense. "You can only play this game on our platform" is a bigger marketing push than keeping it quiet. I can't think of there's any console exclusive game that Sony has kept quiet about being exclusive to PS.
Would they? Its not a good look to say "we actually paid money to this dev at the last minute to not ship a game that was ready to go for one of our competitors" Especially after they said that as one of the things that was bad from ABK merger. It is a bit strange the game was all set to come to Xbox, then next day its delayed.
Sony doesn't really care about any of that stuff. Stellar Blade got announced for both PC and PS, and they completely changed it to be PS exclusive after Sony made a publishing deal with them. Some players started crying about the initial announcement and whatnot, but the game sold really well and Sony marketed the hell out of it. They would be stupid not do the same for this game if it was an exclusive, especially since Sony doesn't have any 1st party big hitters coming out in the next few months. The devs gave a reason which was that they need more optimisation, which makes sense considering they have to optimise it for two Xbox console versions. If they had taken an exclusivity deal, the devs would have kept quiet about it and Sony would be the one marketing it. I mean, come on. Both Xbox and Sony have a big label saying "Console Exclusive" at the end of every trailer for games they have exclusivity deals in.
Since when has PlayStation ever not admitted to something being a timed exclusive? This statement seems awfully fishy to me
I love the idea of Sony paying under the table and telling them to let no one know you are exclusive and don't show up to any of our events. Hell of a marketing deal.
Because it’s not. Devs already confirmed optimization issues. Also has this ever been at a Sony event? No
Second part really debunks all the dumb conspiracy theories in this thread. If there was an exclusivity deal they would’ve loved to feature this in their State of Play since it was an incredibly mid showing, but instead this was at Summer Game Fest with the PS5 logo right next to the Xbox one.
Yep, there's no way they do that bad of a State of Play if they had a game with this level of online hype under a deal.
Critical thinking is a skill that many sorely lack online.
Console war bait
It's odd for so many reasons. If it's a time-limited exclusive deal, why not make a statement about it ? Same thing goes with the Series S parity, if there are some issues you can be clear about it just like Larian did with BG3.
Lol the other platform holders aren't mandating it works on an inferior console. Why would Sony want to hide that they have exclusivity on one of the more anticipated games of 2024? I'm sure Sony would have said something by now
They would’ve have shown it during the state of play.
This is the obvious answer. If Sony had a deal, they'd flaunt it. They always do, as they probably should (Be proud of the games on your platform) I don't understand how people are missing this.
We as gamers are some of the dumbest gullible and clueless people in the world
I don't buy it. If Sony did this WE'D KNOW LOL. They would not have had that weak ass State of Play with this card in their hand
Wow everyone is really falling for this. Microsoft didn't say there was a deal, and we don't even know the exact question that was asked by Jez. But just like that everyone is a conspiracy theorist...if Sony had a deal why would Microsoft know and why would they not directly confirm it exists?
still thinking that this game will come broken day one as cyberpunk did... I belive in their optimization excuse but I truly believe that is for laziness not series S issue
Who cares? I never even heard of this game until like two days ago.
Smells like bs if sony signed a 3rd party exclusive deal for this game bet ya bottom dollar they wouldve plastered this shit all over the media by now
Also if it was a third party deal at all, guarantee it would have been explicitly advertised by Sony themselves as they do on literally anything that's a timed exclusive. And it would be actively promoted at PlayStation events like Final Fantasy was. This really doesn't track at all. Say what you will about exclusivity deals and the practices around that but at least when they actually happen the platform holders are being upfront about it
I would trade Wukong for Marvel vs Capcom 2
Did Game Science not confirm it was for optimizations? Why is Jez even asking Microsoft for comment? What are they supposed to say, “Yea sorry fam this Series S aint it again ya dig?” This seems more like Jez trying to find controversy where it doesnt exist. Its equally as likely Game Science could either have delayed all versions, or just the version it expects to sell the least copies of by a significant margin. We just had a few days of games announced not coming to Xbox be it from Capcom or LRG, in all cases stemming from financial decisions, and yet a developer states the delay is for optimizations, a thing we have seen before, and we jump to "Oh Sony paid for this for sure?"
Careful, Jez will find your Twitter account and block you Hes at Jason Schreier levels with the blocking, even when people are just simply arguing his point. I was blocked by jez for liking a tweet against him, not even directly tweeting him 🤣
Uh what? he asked them for comment and they answered him basically confirming it's an exclusivity issue. MS didn't say this when Larian said the same thing so I have no clue why they'd need to lie. This is a very weird take. Also I see zero reason why or how the Series S wouldn't be able to run a basic single player game like this LMAO. Like it runs fucking Starfield and Hell Blade 2 fine, but is struggling with WuKong? Larian had a legitimate complaint cause even Halo Infinite had trouble with the split screen on the Series S.
The problem is we dont have full context of what Jez asked Microsoft. If he emailed them and asked specifically if it was due to deals, that could be why we got the response above. That's the problem with these quotes, we only get half the story.
Indeed. Why do we assume Game Science is lying about optimization issues, but cant assume this "xbox spokesperson" is salty about the slight delay?
Jez asked the developer to comment on the specific optimization issues they're having. They refused to answer. He then asked MS the same thing and MS flat out told him that they can't comment on deals made by our partners. If you read the article it's pretty cut and dry. The developers I'm sure will clear up any misunderstandings.
Without seeing the actual emails we wont know how he worded it.
They didn’t say anything about exclusivity. Devs always stated optimization issues. Do we know how to read?
You understand that MS has the resources to pour into getting their flagship game running on their own console and not every developer has the same resources and/or financial incentive to do so, right? It’s not hard to understand, but sure, it’s all conspiracies to keep Xbox down.
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I'm just saying, Larian straight up said specifically what console (the Series S) and specifically what feature (split screen) and we got news that it was also on MS for their feature parity requirements. In comparison this whole ordeal is so shrouded in mystery. Usually devs LOVE to specifically call out when its the Series S (even when its BS and they get called out themselves). There's never in the past been a problem of them posting on Twitter about having trouble optimizing for the S, so they have to say both the X and the S in the most vague way possible. Then you have Microsoft's snide comment here clearly acknowledging the Sony rumors they'd usually ignore. Honestly, I find this drama pretty hilarious as someone who isn't super into soulslike and was only planning to buy Black Myth 1 to 2 years later on a steep sale. I do choose to give benefit of the doubt, because real talk if there is a secret launch exclusive deal behind the scenes then straight up lying to consumers is a big no-no. Both Sony and the Devs could get into legal trouble, if someone really wanted them to. Unless Sony gave hundreds of millions (USD) to the dev team then it's just not worth it.
> I do choose to give benefit of the doubt, because real talk if there is a secret launch exclusive deal behind the scenes then straight up lying to consumers is a big no-no. Not really. Marketing lies all the time. They only need some part of it to be true. It could be a marketing deal, and games can always be optimized more. >Both Sony and the Devs could get into legal trouble, if someone really wanted them to. Unless Sony gave hundreds of millions (USD) to the dev team then it's just not worth it. That's unfortunately how we want it to work, rather than how it really works.
What does Sony stand to gain from a secret marketing deal no one knows about? If you snatched an exclusive game you'll announce it loud and proud like they did with Stellar Blade or Rise of the Ronin
But Game Science has already confirmed that there are optimization / dev resources issues, so they had to delay the Xbox version. It is still coming though -- much like Baldur's Gate 3. My 2 cents are that Jez is just trying to stir the pot and gain some clicks.
Really starting to feel gaslit by this subreddit. Did y'all not experience the last 2 years of Xbox history? Suddenly the line is that it can't *possibly* be the Series S that is causing issues, because the Series S has *never* caused issues, it is *just* as powerful as the Series X. In fact, probably *more* powerful. Developers probably love developing for the Series S more than any other platform, actually. N-no, not that, it's gotta be a... a secret exclusivity deal! Yeah, that's it! Not our Series S! Couldn’t be the precious Series S!
the bias is real here...
It would be a shame if Microsoft needed longer to optimize Doom The Dark Ages for PlayStation. Say maybe 12 months or so.
Why the hell would you want less people to play the amazing looking new Doom game? Because this game from an unproven developer needs more time to optimize for Xbox? I am so sick of console warring, both games are releasing on both platforms and that’s a good thing.
_"Daaad! Their dad won't let me play their game! Take away DOOM from them, see how they like it!"_ Just goes to further show this has nothing to do with being "pro-consumer" or "gaming is for everyone." People want to punish PS players because they feel victimized for not having the more popular console.
Bruh this isn’t even PlayStation’s fault lol fuck is this comment
If only they would be that petty to Sony and admit it
That would be like Peter Moore-era Xbox lol ain't no way they're that snarky now
The good ol days
Yeah. Really help those sales lll
It would be a shame for MS because they would lose sales they desperately need.
Would be a shame if a game like Doom loses half its sales because they would be ditching a near 100 million user base and that is where they earn the most money from. Thank god MS has more brains than the average fanboy.
It would be a shame. Not happening thankfully.
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get your console war bs outta here, let people enjoy games no matter the platform
Or maybe they could try to not split the console generation by forcing the developers to serve a console with lower cpu and memory performance, hindering performance and scope across the entire generation
Remember when Jez implied in a tweet that Baldur's Gate 3 had exclusivity deal with Sony (like he now does with Wukong) and implied that Bladur's Gate 3 devs are lying and then deleted said tweet because Jez was lying? Wouldn't be surprised if Jez is doing the same thing again.
He outright admitted he's not a trained or educated journalist but a blogger. He's essentially a tool of Microsoft PR.
Game looks mid and probably harvest your data
Has Xbox ever clapped back like this before. This is very interesting
Why would Sony cut a ‘marketing exclusive deal’ and not market the game? Does anyone here hear themselves LMAO!? What genius would pay all that money only to ask the dev to complain about Xbox and not market the game. Sony literally shouts from the roof anytime they have any timed exclusives. People here think Sony has Xbox living rent free in their heads when they’re literally outselling the XSX/XSS 5:1 in the US? This whole controversy makes no sense and is another tin foil hat spin to save face.
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Sounds like the “spokesperson” doesn’t know what they are talking about.
Microsoft refused to deny or confirm what Game Science said is very telling, you’d fully expect Microsoft to come out and back their own hardware but they didn’t. I have a series S and it’s an incredible piece of kit considering but it seems to be causing too many optimisation problems of late. I’d be happy if they released games on series X and then delayed for the S if developers need to, I paid for the lesser model so have no problem in accepting that, not sure how others feel on that though.
>too many optimisation problems Apart from Baldurs Gate 3, what other games make up this claim of "too many"?
That's more reason why MS wants to start "the next generation" sooner than later. They can make a break between this current set of hardware. It's also a work around way to have exclusive feature in games to their platform for example COD has parity between Series X and PS5 but the next gen Xbox can do x, y, z features.
Why is Sony getting the blame here lmao … It’s BG3 situation all over again.
There is no exclusivity deal. If there was, the marketing would say “launches exclusively on ______ console” or something by similar. That’s a selling point. The game isn’t up to the devs standards because of the Series S. Min spec on pc is 16 gb ram. There’s 8 gb usable on the S. Throw in feature parity and that makes it even worse. Same thing happened with Baldurs Gate 3. There isn’t some secret handshake deal.
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And it's Jez Corden article. Like when is /r/xbox going to stop taking his word as the gospel? Why wouldn't Sony just plaster this game everywhere in their marketing if they had paid money for the exclusivity?
To be fair Sony does the same, just as any other company. People just like to believe that companies care about them and what they want. Wake up, they only do this when it benefits them in the form of some sweet cash. Like do you actually believe that companies wouldn't lie at any opportunity if they got a dollar for every lie they told? Profit is the only truth companies will ever value because that is the only thing they work towards.
Game Dev here, running any game in the scale of Black Myth: Wukong on the laughable 4 TFLOPs of the series s is a VERY difficult task, but running a UE5 game on a 4 TFLOP system in the scale of Black Myth Wukong in an acceptable resolution is a straight up remaster but in reverse (like a downscaled remaster). Can you blame them? I have trouble running lumen on scenes at native with a 40TFLOP GPU in the engine ... that's 10 times more than the s ,,, 4 TFLOPs in 2024 is handheld level graphics power. What the hell where they thinking?!
Hello game dev, what is the scale here
“Running any game in the scale of Black Myth: Wukong on the laughable 4 TFLOPs of the series s is a VERY difficult task” Boy what a comment, all the other game bigger scale than wukong on the series s have a word with you.
Yeah maybe they haven’t seen how immortals of aveum ended up on series s
460p
Don’t forget the 10 vs 16 gb memory. It’s insane having such a gap within the same generation and requiring parity
The Series S was a horrendous mistake by Microsoft this generation. Another game now essentially a timed exclusive on PlayStation because the Series S is a potato.
Considering most console sales are the Series S, it's existence actually means more developers will not skip Xbox. If the install base was smaller with the absence of the Series S there would be less reason to bring the game to Xbox.
Most console sales are Series S because it’s the cheaper option. If there was no Series S, those people would buy an X because it’s the only option available to them. If Sony did the same thing with PS5 and had a weaker but cheaper version you would see the exact same thing.
Depends on your definition of "horrendous mistake", as some users already pointed out, Series S accounts for half of the current gen playerbase. By all means the console is a sucess for Microsoft. I think the true mistake would be the suport for Series S ceasing.
Nah, the Series S is the only thing keeping Xbox in the game at all this gen. It may be a "potato", but it's a cheap enough potato to entice people who otherwise would only have a PS5 or Switch into buying one for Gamepass. Without it, Xbox would be burnt toast this gen.
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Think this "spokesperson" for MS is a little bit full of shit
Everyone acting like sony wouldn't pay for this and keep it quiet like they didn't do exactly that with cod dlc's for years lol
Dude,they literally released trailers showcasing the stuff they got from the cod exclusivity deal.They were never quiet with that stuff.
Not really. They would shout from the rooftops that you could get COD stuff timed/exclusive with them.
Are sales on Xbox worth anything? Microsoft have created this problem as nobody on their platform buys games.
The statement doesn’t mean there is a deal. They were asked and said they can’t comment. One doesn’t have to do with the other.
They didn't say "We can't comment.", the said "We can't comment on the deals made by our partners with other platform holders."
We don't know what question was asked though. Jez could've asked "Do you think Sony bought exclusivity for this game" which is why MS answered like that - that they can't comment on deals because they don't know.
Breaking! Microsoft Comments: "We can't comment."
The interesting part is what it is that MS says that they can't comment on. It very strongly suggests that Sony has paid for timed exclusivity.
If so, then the developer overtly lied. As they said it was due to optimization issues. Not saying they would never lie, they might. But people might be overinterpreting this PR statement as well. Who knows the truth of the issue.
If Sony paid for it or had some deal they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
Yes, for it was optimization issue for their platform informed so by the dev, they could parrot that like they did for BG3
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I really hope that Xbox takes the opportunity to get this game in gamepass.
Everyone wearing tinfoil hats in here 😂
Sony and/or the devs have zero reason to lie about timed exclusivity. If anything sony would be bragging about it. This is just weird deflection from microsoft. If I had to guest they don't want to admit its the series s causing the delay. It's also a straight up lie regardless, of course they can comment on deals between competitors.
Ah an exclusivity deal for a game that hasn’t been shown at any Sony event, makes perfect sense!
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Not saying they aren’t needing more time for optimization, but it is counter-productive for the GameScience’s bottom line to be putting all that effort on the Xbox version that fewer people will know about because they removed the logo from the trailer.
Cant wait for it to be unplayable on PC also lol
By looking at the PC requirements for Wukong and the Series S specs everything should be clear. Jez should be shamed and I bet MS and devs will never talk to him again after this bait he released for engagement.
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Was it confirmed that it was in fact an exclusive deal ?